They have been talking about Ubuntu Edge, the mobile that Canonical intends to produce with the money earned through a campaign of Crowfunding and so far he had not wanted to comment on it to see how the situation unfolded.
The goal was to raise 32 million dollars in a month, and the clock began ticking on July 22, 2013, that is, last month. So far there are some 35 hours and they only go for $11,940,012.
I have seen many comments on the Internet about it, including one quite interesting that I read on Very linux what did he say:
I believe that this campaign has a semi-hidden objective. I think it was more of a gauge of how much people are interested in Ubuntu Edge. In this sense, it seems to me that the campaign has been a success. Keep in mind that most people do not like to pre-order and despite this many copies have been sold. I believe that with this precedent, Canonical can venture to produce the equipment on its own without the fear of losing the investment. I am sure that the main objective has been to census the market and that they did not really aspire to raise all that money. With Ubuntu Edge hitting hard, it would be enough and if they gathered the sum, even better, but I don't think they counted on that much.
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And I honestly got to thinking. If the objective was that, very well thought out, but there is a small detail that fails and I commented on it via Twitter a few days ago: Who will take a leap of faith and invest money in a 3D mockup, in a product that has not been tested?
And I'm not just talking about Hardware, but also about Software. Has Ubuntu Phone OS the quality required to go into production? Do you have the number of applications necessary to cover a fairly wide audience?
They are not asking for 10 thousand dollars, they are 32 million dollars, which would mean that at least 32 million users of Ubuntu (or supporters) contributing $ 1 each.
It seems to me that the tactic failed. I think the best thing would have been to invest some money (or ask for less money) and launch a limited production of these phones. In this way "some" people would buy it, test it and thus the rest would have more motivation in wanting to buy one of these devices.
But let's not be pessimistic, there are still more than 30 hours left and perhaps a miracle could happen.
Elav, failure is with s 😉
Merde !! Thanks, I didn't notice.
I think I'm going to have to write a post: The things that happen when you make a mistake and put a Z where an S goes XDD
Hahaha, it sure gets thousands of visits! XD
*Failure.
Yes, yes, I left the Z for the S .. Thank you.
As long as elav corrects z for s, I will say this comment:
Ubuntu will break the record for the highest refund in a crowdfunding campaign.
Yes. I missed saying it.
Which refund?
The money will not be returned, if the goal is not reached (which from the beginning looked very difficult), high-end mobiles will not be made, but they will continue with the launch of cheaper mobiles with Ubuntu Mobile.
My mistake, they will be reimbursed, the other projects will continue with another budget.
Whether or not it is a project that is guaranteed to fail, I support it. If it was a census, well, what a good move, if it wasn't at least millions were not lost like Nokia did with the N9 (that system had a future to my point of view). Now it only remains to see if some foundation or something charitable goes the rest or we see a Telethon-type miracle.
Personally, I feel that for Canonical, their entry into the smartphone world was very late and worse still, no one took them seriously. We are witnessing an oversaturated market: covered by Android almost everywhere in the world, followed by iOS that is still in the fight, a WP that seems to grow little but steadily, and a Blackberry that is reaching the abyss. If we add to this Tizen (which according to Samsung is still alive and well), Firefox OS (which is in its infancy), Symbian (which Nokia uses in its low-end "Asha" phones, for "emerging markets"), and Sailfish from Jolla (old Meego). Only a miracle would save them at this point.
In general the idea is not bad but there are too many things to see.
If the campaign sought to test the waters, the truth is that it has gotten good feedback and has stomped on saying that it is there, that people want it and that Canonical, no matter how much criticism it receives, has a good number of users, than in the software free if money is disbursed.
The truth is that I doubt very much that Mark Shuttleword, having enough money to travel to space, could not have invested a good sum in all this Ubuntu Mobile and decided to make it cheap and say «I'm going to give it to crowfounding because I don't I risk ». Not at all, I believe that since the profit detriment was seen, this fact was revealed, that the truth was they were looking for feedback without taking financial risks.
Now the thing has to be looked at from the point of view of the system, the system itself looks great and looks great with its SDK as the main language C ++ and QT (or was it C?) And also allowing the use native "optimized" (I put it in quotes because I do not know) of HTML5 applications.
Perhaps one of the most marked problems with this system is how long it takes to go to market and how little they do to generate applications for the system, I have not seen an ecosystem or talk about applications for it, this is something very in against, I don't know, the thing is not yet analyzable, at least not thoroughly.
As a question ...
Should this team become a reality, wouldn't it be the first step to bring the other distros to mobile systems, beyond a laptop?
Or am I confusing things ???
Well, no. There are already distributions that have dabbled in mobile technology, which may not be the way you expect it, or not like Unity. Clear example: Debian.
Debian in mobile environment ??, I had no idea.
Do you have a link out there where the subject is mentioned?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_nO28Z1yEU
Well MeeGo is based on debian and uses .deb packages, basically you can install any distro that supports the processor, in addition to the phone having the bootloader unlocked (I think), and the distro drivers
I think it has been a calculated failure.
They knew that they could not reach the figure of 32 million but still they have broken a record of collection within the crowfunding.
With this, the power of Ubuntu moving masses has become clear, although it is a ridiculous power compared to, for example, Apple, but it starts with something.
Greetings.
I think your assessment is incorrect, because you don't need to be an Ubuntu desktop user to be a smartphone user with Ubuntu.
I used to think the same thing, until one day I heard a lady, in a computer equipment store, asking the store clerk to install Android on a laptop; the clerk replied that it could not be done. I was surprised by the fact that Microsoft / Apple supremacy does not sink in with ordinary people (not users of a particular operating system). In reality people are able to accept any device that on average has the same performance as common devices, regardless of the OS.
But hey, it is worth arguing on the subject, as it increases the expectations of what is to come.
It may be that I am wrong when I only talked about Ubuntu users, but it is that everyone who wants to approach Ubuntu Edge is supposed to do it preferably for the OS, not for the hardware. Although the Hardware is not bad, and it looks nice. But nothing, I repeat that I can be wrong. 😉
Here I think we disagree, because this is a terminal that focuses on the enthusiast market, it is not a cell phone that the masses may have and, although surely more than one that has little to do with Ubuntu has come to see the campaign because things have bounced in many places, I highly doubt they even invested the $ 20 they ask for.
For me, if they are Ubuntu users and enthusiasts who have put their money there.
Historical mega failure, if at least they had reached 20 million of the 32 or at least half that are 16, they would have thought differently, but they set a goal too high and they stayed far away.
I agree, to say that this is not a failure would be fanboy. Like the Microsoft fanboys who say that the “surface” tablet did not fail, but the world failed to appreciate it.
Do not look for three feet to the cat, Ubuntu wanted 32 melons and it was not enough. That is a failure here and on the other side of the world.
The last day an anonymous donor nicknamed MS xD will come out
Failure or not I support Ubuntu. If we linuxers turn against a company / distro that encourages (in its own way) the use of linux or opensurce, I don't think we'll go far.
If Canonical does not reach the goal of US $ 32 million declared publicly by them, it is a failure ... if the amount that is eventually raised at the end of the term does not exceed 50% of what was expected, the failure the greater. Why? Because they put the pole themselves, so they must have anticipated if they had the muscles and strength to jump with that pole called Ubuntu Edge.
Now if, as is suspected, the main objective is to census the market since, being realistic, they do not really aspire to collect all that money, can we speak of a triumph within that failure? I do not think so. Perhaps the coldness of the numbers tells us that US $ 12 million is, in the case, a great answer but, on the other hand, what is going to prevent a large sector of people who "bought" their Ubuntu Edge from not feeling that way? disappointment to know that they have been used for an experiment, as if they were guinea pigs? Who is going to measure the lack of confidence that Canonical will generate for itself if the objective was really "to measure the water to the tamales"?
Is that you are talking about ubuntu, in my point of view that is the least, if you are faithful to ubuntu, you will continue to be, within all the changes that people have followed, above their own fanaticism, and that is exploited somehow.
The ubuntu ecosystem exploited in some way always something that surprises me, over the years, it continues to have a flow and has not fallen out or into oblivion, somehow, we can discern in the rate of decline or growth the acceptance rate, but still, while other distros came and went.
Ubuntu's strong point was / is exclusivity.
the ubuntu community may be the largest, (depending on the number of users) but it must be one of the most disjointed.
A good data would be the number of instances running in amazon, that would be significant to me.
With the publicity that they have done, it would be strange, not to see one in the place around the corner for next year a mobile of those.
With the equipment that is proposed, and whether it is optimized or not, I would prefer to pay more and have a team with i486 + (native) come and be able to put my preferred distro, which I think is what it is really aimed at. I never left the debian fully functional on the mobile, on the tablet yes.
You take the palms, if they wanted to be on everyone's lips, they would have had better results setting the goal at 11 million and collecting 12, than setting it at 100 and collecting 20.
You guessed the thought Tina. In addition, it would have been better for them with a formal market study and for them to start selling Ubuntu phones in order to pay for the production of Ubuntu Edge and thus, have fully insured capital to be able to show them the true characteristics that this device really has, for now , is in plans.
Exactly Tina. Better explained impossible.
Well I do not entirely agree. I keep saying that under the basic premise of not raising the money, it is obviously a failure, and resounding.
Now, that users feel used by the assumption that it is an experiment? I doubt it, because so far it is just a guess and we all know that they will never say "hey, we were just taking the census."
Likewise, it matters little to me whether or not the phone reaches my hands because I may not buy it, I prefer FxOS, but, if I am interested in GNU / Linux taking that step to mobile phones, no matter how complicated the thing is, It is a must see.
"We are better than you ... we have better products."
Steve Jobs.
Don't you get it, Steve? It does not matter."
Gates
Silicon Valley Pirates
@nano said:
«Now, that users feel used by the assumption that it is an experiment? I doubt it, because so far it is just a guess and we all know that they will never say “hey, we were just taking the census”. »
I agree with you: Canonical is highly unlikely to admit that this is just a market study and not a serious sale. However, that does not matter so that the final perception, which may eventually be generated, within a sector of those who participated with this financing is that of simple pawns sacrificed within a failed chess move.
Al Ries and Jack Trout, in their book "The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing," refer to this as "The Law of Perception":
«Marketing is not a battle of products, it is a battle of perceptions…. Many think that in the long run, the best product will win, this being a simple and flat illusion. There are no better products, the only thing in the world of marketing are perceptions in the minds of customers, constituting their reality.
Most of us are sure that what we think is safer and more true than what others think, and nobody is more correct than us. We cling to the fact that the real is what is around us, but we do not take into account that the only reality we can be sure of is our own perceptions.
Marketing is a manipulation of these perceptions, and a battle of them (You believe what you want to believe). Now, this battle is even more difficult, because consumers often make decisions based on second-hand perceptions, rather than their own. They base the purchase decision on someone else's perception of reality.
Some base the natural laws of Marketing on the product, and on what will be won or lost based on its merits, but the absolute truth is that only by studying the shape of perceptions in the mind and focusing them in our marketing program, we will succeed. "
If you read the opinions expressed here and in the twin theme created in Muy Linux you will notice that a large majority are affirming, or at least suspecting, that this Canonical event contains a Gremlin inside the box.
The only certainty, so far, is that we have to wait until the event closes and wait for an official statement from Canonical ... for now, and we must be honest, we are only talking about a possible and major failure.
Well, if it is a failure or not, it will depend on who and how you see it, you have said it yourself.
Anyway, it is not something that affects me either, this is pure speculation and we debate everything here based on what we believe to be reality, I cannot and I will not discuss it with you, I share it.
But, in any case, however failure it may be, from my point of view, they can still get something out of all this madness
No @ nano… things are very clear: if Canonical does not reach the goal proposed, and declared publicly by themselves, of US $ 32 million it will be a failure. That should not even be discussed because we are looking at an objective and quantifiable action: raising $ 32 million in one month. Any goal not achieved is a failure. Point.
What will be the magnitude of that failure? So far we do not know but it would be interesting to know, for example, how many prepaid their Ubuntu Edge with a credit card. It has already cost all those people the financing of those credits.
What Canonical can get an apprenticeship even after an eventual failure? They would do wrong if they disdain the moral that this experience throws.
Now, we do not debate the issue because it affects us personally ... we discuss it simply and simply because it has been put on the table of analysis. How much in the comments made here, on this blog, is mere speculation and how much is reality? It seems to me that the problem is not speculation per se but the elements and baggage of knowledge that each of us possesses to obtain each possible scenario.
FAILURE? PLEASE.
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@Tub:
In a way, many comments have spoken of a baseless success, but you supported them and better than @ pandev92. The truth is that it is not to measure the hype, but that play seemed like a gaffe on their part, since they did not launch a prototype so that they could experiment, because they were only in charge of selling you an idea, but If you don't have at least one prototype to show that this idea can be tangible, then it is useless.
A true case of success is the case of the miniPC's called Rasperry Pi, which has managed to be successful on Indiegogo thanks to the tangibility it has, in addition to having proven versatility, and all thanks to the fact that they started with a prototype and ended up accepting the proposal, and even better miniPC models emerged with ARM architecture and a very minimalist casing.
Can someone else mention another success of a crowdfunding project that is not necessarily the Rasperry Pi, please?
I don't use Ubuntu and I don't like the path Canonical took, but I have to say that this maneuver was a success. It not only served to test the number of possible users but also achieved free publicity. By breaking crowfunding records they had many interviews and articles talking about the project and positioning Ubuntu as a brand. Surely now there are many more people who know the name "Ubuntu" and if they ever see a PC or smartphone with that operating system installed, it will sound familiar to them instead of saying "And what do you eat with?"
I totally agree with Don Yoyo in saying that it was a calculated failure.
It was known in advance that they were not going to reach 32 million, however the savings in marketing and market studies are considerable when a launch is made through this system.
The truth is, from the beginning I have felt uncomfortable with this Canonical crowfounding, because it seems to me that Canonical has taken advantage of a system originally devised to help new projects to float, projects that are generally started by small businessmen or entrepreneurs , not by large, established companies. This creates a precedent for other large companies to take advantage of the system. Soon we will see Microsoft launching its next tablet through crowdfounding and asking to reach 100 million.
I think that the fact of putting different prices to the same product has been a capital error. In my case, donations were completed at a price shortly before I visited the page. So if you wanted to buy the same as others, you had to pay more than others. For that terminal I would have paid even € 900, but I don't feel like paying more than others for the same thing. No. Either all the same or nothing. That is why I have not donated / purchased a terminal. I hope that like me they have done many.
I think the 32 million goal is fine, but I'll be glad they don't hit it. I will then wait for them to repeat the campaign but with the same price for all.
What a crude strategy. What a stupid thing! What a pity. A unique opportunity to break the market with amazing equipment and the best system to exploit it has been lost.
Who will take a leap of faith and invest money in a 3D mockup, in a product that has not been tested?
There are many investors who make these leaps, but in this case the first candidate would be Mark.
Does Ubuntu Phone OS have the required quality to go into production?
Surely yes, and no, yes, because being a single hardware it is easy to program, where they would bump against the wall will be when looking for compatibility with other devices.
Do you have the number of applications necessary to cover a fairly wide audience?
I think not, but it is a reality that if the device is successful enough, the developers will see a good market and the applications will arrive alone, that has already been seen.
As long as you have: facebook, twitter and whatsapp to begin with, it will take 90%.
EXACT!
That is why this campaign is totally a success, because what they measured was to see who bought something non-existent based on a HIGH PRICE ($ 800 or $ s) and the promise of a company that would not damage its credibility and reputation by scamming the 'early adopters' .
+1 to the exercise of critical thinking.
And angrybirds ...
To me personally the Ubuntu Edge seems amazing. At the hardware level, every company and every mobile would envy you. The design seems beautiful to me. And the Software, well, it is being developed and some Alpha version of Ubuntu Phone has already been leaked over the internet, in which everything works except 3G, calls, Wifi ... connection, well. But I am very aware of it and as soon as a stable version is leaked I will not hesitate for two seconds to try it on my beloved HTC One.
It is a shame that they do not achieve the objective of the campaign, but it is seen that in the world there is interest in this device appearing on the market, so perhaps they will finally invest some of their own money in launching it. I bought it without thinking! 😀
This is Kevin! I bought it without thinking twice. So I hope that the result or announcement makes it canonical. But if it gets released, I buy it. 🙂
We are several then!
My Galaxy S4 Exynos Octo Core is very nice but it is still Android = Java and it really sucks, no matter what amazing ROM I flash on it, Arrow, PACman, CyanogenMod, Paranoid…
The guys who developed Android took the Linux kernel, threw a hideous Java hybrid bloat called Dalvik on it, shoved it in the shaker, and served up a lukewarm system with all the cons of Windows and Java and very little GNU + Linux perks - really. horrible.
Now, the fact of being able to run a serious Ubuntu on my phone… wow, it blows my mind!
FirefoxOS .. that if I like it.
I don't remember where I read yesterday a review about Firefox OS on a low-end Alcatel and the skinny guy (I think he was from Colombia) was _loved_, he said that with all the inherent limitations of the hardware and that of being a first mass-production version the system it was really good.
I look forward to having one of those on hand! ^ _ ^
Right msx That's right. I want a Phone with all the virtues of Linux. And I hope it is released. I wish so. 🙂
Well to tell the truth, I would like a real GNU / Linux 100 on my smartphone, since the GUI itself is made in Java, and therefore, it consumes a lot of battery when using applications like Soundcloud intensively, Google+ and Youtube.
On the other hand, I think the Firefox OS proposal is very good, since it uses the GAIA system, which only depends on HTML5 to render applications that are made using the web language, and reduces battery consumption to a minimum if it is used. use for a long time.
mmm, from my point of view I am very stingy for money, let alone for phones, I only have one phone, for messages and making calls, very simple, I don't use android I don't like it, neither does iPhone, but, if it comes out a phone with Distro ubuntu, debian, fedora, linux mint DEBIAN jiji, I would not care about the price, I would only buy it for the Linux distribution system.
Be careful, I'm a stingy, XD
Hopefully Ubuntu Edge will be tangible within not long because my mobile is dying 😀 (If it were to be done by the time I get to Argentina, my mobile would no longer even serve to tread papers)
The good thing about Ubuntu Edge: the proposal itself, since many times those who use smartphones give them a feeling of helplessness of not being able to do what they could do on PC's, and Ubuntu Edge fills that void left by tablets and smartphones (like those produced by Apple and Samsung).
The bad: not doing a market study. If you thought that doing a "crowdfunding campaign" would serve as a market study, you just screwed up. I think it was the work of the Jackass, but Cannonical and the Ubuntu Foundation, no.
The truth is that it is a much more tangible business proposition than the iPhone, but it has not been treated as such. I hope that this possibility is reconsidered and that at least they do a good market study as it should.
No @elav, it did not fail, on the contrary, the campaign was tremendously successful: it is a REAL meter of the possibilities they have in the future to sell their product.
At the very least, it should have done a previous market study so as not to have to stretch the leg in order to make a comparison between expectations and reality.
Do you think they didn't !? Let's go…
If I set a goal too high and I do not arrive, it is a failure, and if the expectations of ubuntu are to sell 13 or 14 million dollars, of ubuntu edge, it would also be a failure because badly they could cover the manufacturing costs. It is a historic failure. It's like I am Real Madrid, I want to arrive first in the league, I finished fourth and then I said that since we had no money, we just tried to see where we were going to get. Has no sense.
A respectable company hires a Nielsen-type consultancy to give them market data and thus know how far it can or cannot go. been able to test the product.
The study SURE THEY DID [0] and the campaign was a success even though they didn't cover the minimum quota they expected.
In fact, it was known before the first week that they were not going to reach the desired quota.
However, it was a success in several ways:
1. They measured the degree of _passion_ that exists in the GEEK environment.
2. They measured how much of a stir the news of the venture caused.
3. They measured the acceptance of the value of the device against the benefits it offered.
4. Most importantly: they showed the cell phone companies that there is a real and true demand for the product they offer.
Let's see, the whole move was not only to "sell" a phone but also a masterful corporate and commercial strategy to make a real evaluation of the possibilities of the future equipment and the impact and possible support of the service provider companies involved in its development. and future sale.
Of course, because Shuttelworth (regardless of whether we like him or her) is an idiot to do business, right?
Nobody seems to know or forget that before he became a Canonical "seller" he was a software developer, contributor to Debian for many years, created one of the largest firms in the digital certificate industry in his home garage which he later sold in millions of dollars of which he spent 20 to go to space and only 10 to found Ubuntu, a company that is currently listed on the stock market and is worth money ...
[0] So: does it occur to anyone that they didn't do a strong market and feasibility study? Yes, @ pandev92 who watches Real Madrid a lot !!!
Do you know what the problem is with you people? Who read two manuals - and above - and because they follow instructions like a monkey to install an operating system that on the other hand is not at all complex for someone moderately intelligent - they believe that their UNINFORMED and poorly processed conclusions have some grip and, what is worse, that their opinion has some value.
But hey, this is typical of people who speak without knowing, without having the ability to analyze and who, frankly, have the brains of adornment, because among other things to say "They have looked for the potential market for megapijos" - as @mitcoes says right below , someone who obviously has the head to grow hair alone - is not understanding a damn where technology is going, society and the needs that accompany its evolution and new forms of use.
The great contemporary philosopher Yayo has already said it: does technology have limits?
Dedicated to @mitcoes, @ pandev92 and the rest of '[i] analyst-kiddies [/ i]' who open their mouths like a mailbox to say… bullshit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_54XMTnrx4
Sorry, but I'm studying commerce and marketing and I know what I'm talking about, and clearly with this campaign, Ubuntu has not only shown that the initial figure has not reached, but it has also shown that there is not a serious and sufficient demand to produce a Product of such high cost, I doubt that any company would risk producing it.
Shuttleworth is one of the worst entrepreneurs I have ever seen, guys in the wake of Ballmer, who lose and lose and lose money year after year, lower profits and so on.
An entrepreneur who in almost 10 years of the distro has not been able to create a single euro of profit is a failure, since profits are the reason for being a company.
Not only would the ubuntu phone sell little, but also, of those 32 million they wanted to raise, they would have had to allocate at least 10 in global advertising campaigns, to make it a viable product, this makes me come to the conclusion that in the future , if an ubuntu phone will be launched, but of medium-low cost, which after all is the only market niche in which Canonical can succeed, a market saturated in the high-end by Apple and Samsung, where Nokia High-end brands fail one after the other, where htc and lg go from loss to loss, every quarter and where devices like the surface pro don't even sell to God.
Of course, the ubuntu edge was going to be a more powerful computer phone than its adversaries, but in the market, it does not sell the one with the best product, it sells the product with the best marketing strategy, and that it has behind an important company that has known maintain a high degree of popularity. All things that for now canonical does not have and that I doubt it will ever have.
In the market, those who have the money to invest triumph, not those who expect others to invest for them (unless you are Microsoft).
What if it was only for the advertising campaign? What if they had the money?
You can see it from both sides, but I agree with msx, (you can see the glass half empty or half full)
In such a limited market, or rather in the niche that is proposed, any dollar that they have foreseen, gives you a relationship of the willingness to acquire the good.
This cannot be compared with anything before (from every point of view it is an achievement, even if the numbers do not close you), from the point of view, that you are contributing to something from scratch, for something particular, and it even exists.
If you wanted a market test, this is the test, if they were thinking of making 300 million phones, they might only make 100 but they are going to do it because they will be monetized. And beyond for the quota of the people who will enter for the exclusivity, (it is because a gamer buys a titan instead of a 470). We go for the residual market or the niche that is not covered by PCs, tablets and smart phones.
If the consumer understands what is available to them, many people will continue to enter, you make three or four versions, depending on the market (such as cars, a 1.2 engine, a 1.4, a 2.0, and you keep pulling), we are talking about something that in essence it should be free, and you give it added value and you can sell it, and it does not compare to android.
I hate ubuntu, I hate the philosophy of the distro, but I see this as an opportunity to change a small portion of the market, making people aware that it can be done
FAILURE, and missed opportunity.
To facilitate the objective, they could have put the "donation" at 50 or 100 USD with the commitment to buy the future terminal for the 800 USD as a "ticket" so they could have accounted for x8 or x16 the collection, even establishing a collection system at intermediate terms.
People with 800 USD "to spare" to finance a telephone to have within 2 years, as has been seen, there are few, the same with 50 or 100 upfront if they had achieved 40 or 50.000 unit reservations.
They have looked for the potential market of megapijos and that Apple has almost taken over, if 40.000 computer students had gone to the technology market, if they would have paid 50 USD to have that prototype with 128 Gbs.
It will probably not take long for an ARM64 with 4Gb of RAM and 128Gb of SDD in our pockets.
Apple does not have a shit, Samsung is eating iPorong raw with the S4 which is, frankly, excellent.
I recently bought a Galaxy S4 Octo Core and it is a terrible pipe, when I compared it with the iPhone I did not hesitate to choose the Galaxy and, if the Edge had already existed, I would have gone directly to that smartphone because Android ultimately does not stop being just a Linux kernel with a very small GNU userland and a HUGE Dalvik (Java) blob on top.
Ubuntu and Debian may not be for me the best implementations of GNU / Linux but having a smartphone where I can take my dockable PC everywhere in principle replacing the Laptop + Smartphone combo and that PC is an Ubuntu ... wow, it doesn't have price, it would be amazing.
In a short time the new iPhone 5S comes out, we will see how its sales 'improve' compared to the Galaxy.
Get informed to think, reason and finally speak:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100916625
In case there are doubts:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/26/apple-three-year-low-smartphone-marketshare/
Here is a deduction error, although apple is losing quota, this does not mean that it is lowering margins like others. Clearly, the drop in share is due to the rise in the sale of low-end and medium-low-end terminals, especially in emerging countries, where people cannot afford to spend 600 euros for a toy.
This is where Android triumphs, by offering Chinese quality terminals for less than 150 euros, something that Apple is neither going nor coming.
Also, developers still prefer iOS to Android for selling.
http://www.ticbeat.com/sim/desarrolladores-prefieren-ios/
Buying an iPhone you have access to a good quality device with its intrinsic achievements and failures.
Buying an Android device you have access to a fucking new universe and the portal to the other dimension in this case is called: xda-developers.com, replicant.us/about and the myriad blogs on the subject.
Hello colleagues when I read what elav says about debian on mobiles and I found this
http://www.leopard360.org/2013/03/debian-tambien-tomara-su-camino-hacia.html
http://libuntu.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/debian-se-lanza-hacia-los-moviles/
There he talks about the subject, I'm happy, let it come out, I put it in my cachaphone
regards
this time I allow myself to disagree with you, in this case I agree with msx, come on guys, as far as I know, none of those present here study the economy or the market, my comment will be simple, don't be surprised that after the "failure" several operators begin to sign agreements with Ubuntu Edge….
Well unfortunately for you, it's what I've been studying until last year XD!
I hope that in your opinions you have contemplated the Canonical - China relationship
If you decide to sell low-end phones, China is clearly the future. If they only want to sell mobile phones for the rich, like this one, since they can already file for bankruptcy, you should know what the minimum wage is in China.
as far as I know ... the iphone is not low-end ... and it is made at Foxconn ... I would not underestimate them
Tete, the iPhone in China has failed miserably. sell a lot more local brands:
http://bgr.com/2013/08/09/iphone-china-market-share/
It has like a 5% market share nothing more.
pandev, we already talked about it on talk but I said "it is made" not "for sale" that is to say they have the ability to make good mobile phones
Pff, treeemendous market and future struggle is coming for the Chinese market, or is it that they develop the Chinese Ubuntu just because? Vaaamos, how shortsighted most of them are - impressive.
China stopped being the country a long time ago, human ants hunched over rice fields to be the country with the MOST UNIVERSITY MIDDLE CLASS IN THE WORLD, take it!
The worst thing - for the rest of the world of course, not for them - is that the hdps are starting to export university skulls (received and with excellent grades) to all parts of the world not only as a workforce but also as an executive.
Engineers in all areas, professionals of all kinds, technologists wherever you look. 1.200.000 million inhabitants (and I think I fall short).
Let's see, if the ratio of inhabitants in the US Argentina is 9 to 1 and the US has three and a half times fewer inhabitants than China, and on top of that we have a "Bolivarian" education of a tenth while China has been working for DECADES to have the class The most prepared media in the world with a predominance of university students, banana republics like ours will find it a LOT to be able to cope with the next social revolution and technological war that is coming and which the powers are already arming themselves to the teeth. PRISMA is just the tip of the iceberg.
Saying "it's going to cost us a lot" is a euphemism for a McDonalds uniform of Chinese capitals.
The average Chinese salary is less than 600 euros per month, and according to the latest statistics, in China, the best-selling mobile phones are those between 700 yuan and 1500 yuan. (€ 110-230), that's why local companies are the ones that sell the most.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9236638/iPhone_5_fails_to_boost_Apple_39_s_market_share_in_China
The link for more information.
@pandev I am not internalized with the social situation in China but we would have to see what the cost of living is, right? In short, it is what matters most in the short and medium term.
That is clear @msx, but finding data from those real ones is very difficult xD
@ pandev92: That's hanging around the Bloomberg website. This is where many US shareholders and those who know statistics turn to find out how the market is doing.
ubuntu is a wea, use a chingona distro better
Justify your answer, please.
I have only 7 points of conflict with Ubuntu but in my case they are decisive to stay away from the distribution:
1. Ghastly blob-filled kernel that makes it ridiculously large, heavy, and inefficient. Because of this kernel, laptops get hotter than the core of the Earth. Crazy.
2. By design for several versions they already compile only the ondemand governor - if you want to alter the frequency of your CPU or use a governor like powersave when you are on battery working from a console, forget it. And no: ondemand doesn't do the powersave work by itself, it keeps activating itself no matter how tuned you have laptop-mode-tools and acpi. Battery life - a joke.
3. upstart: it is SUFFERING. Compared to systemd it is prehistoric. To use upstart I stick with SysVinit _for my life_.
4. The application update cycle every six months is insufferable and the excuse they give to keep the system stable is at least MUSHY. If you use Winshit or Mac or rolling or half-rolling distros and a new version of the app you work with comes out that brings an important improvement to what you do, you can update immediately. If you use ubuntu YOU ARE FRIED, your only solution is to add PPAs (as I did with eOS) and cross your fingers and pray that with each system update the ppas do not conflict with each other or with the same system. Now, doing a full dist-upgrade between releases with many ppas installed is suicidal.
WTF with these people? They are idiots? I do not think so. WTF then? Too much Debian in your life?
Keep the base system and kernel "stable", that's fine with me, but allow to update the userland independently.
5. Mir… seriously? I ask: do you really need to develop a new video server to achieve the "convergence" you are looking for? Is it worth doing instead of collaborating with Wayland making improvements to what is already done? BUT GO TO STEAL ON THE ROADS !!! (Tip: in a few more years Canonical will be worse than Apple, in several ways because although they offer their free product it is also true that private investment was minimal in contrast to Apple where all its developments are with its own capital. note that Canonical seeks to cut itself only from the GNU + Linux world but using the free labor of the F / LOSS).
6. Years go by and each new version ALWAYS has that "half cooked / half baked" feeling. MS said to wait for it until 14.04 [0] and it is the last version that I give Canonical a deadline to prove that Ubuntu is a serious, professional, COMPLETE system and that it can perfectly compete and cope with established systems.
As significant data that confronts _directly_ what Canonical does with Ubuntu we have Chrome OS that in half the time and by leaps and bounds improves continuously - just like Android despite being a horrendous Java.
7. Ubuntu not only gives a half-done feeling in each version but also the user interface part is still incomplete, something totally unintelligible in a product with so much support and strength behind it. For example: there are a plethora of indicators to be able to use that are perfectly stable since they are published in the repositories of each version. These indicators cover all kinds of topics such as weather indicator, screenshot, cpu frequency (which is useless with the stupidity that I comment above) and many others.
I ask: how can it be that they do not provide an option in the control panel to activate the different indicators according to the needs and tastes of their users? That clearly shows something: their users don't give a shit interest, they have the same verse as politicians, they fill their mouths with empty words -it's obvious guys- because even though they have a defined north that they don't want to reveal (in terms of usability, interface, features and options available to users) the fact that they do not even bother to make Ubuntu a robust system is proof that not only do they not listen to what the community needs but that they are not interested.
Come on, yes, even Winshit and Mac, who know they have to take care of their plot, listen to users when they protest too loud and agree to their requests many times!
Ubuntu's problem is not Ubuntu itself or its community but the firm behind the distribution and the debian devs who hear "continuous update" and turn green and tumble to the ground.
I don't think Canonical will change, at least for a long time, but I'm still hopeful that the people who develop Ubuntu will realize that we are in 2013 and abandon that fearful granny attitude.
And if not, they ask a couple of well-known Admins in the Spanish linuxera blogosphere how about the change from Debian to Arch, only official repos to official repos + AUR (sweet, no !? :), SysVInit to systemd, apt / dpkg to pacman / yaourt / cower / whatever, /etc/apt.d/* to /etc/pacman.conf and /etc/pacman.d/*, / etc / apache2 (???) / WTF !!! and / etc / httpd / UPSTREAM, software from two years ago and software from _morning_ STABLE like no other distro 😀 😀 😀
And if someone does not believe that this is so, ask them! XD
[0] For about 3 years he has been saying that: either they continually kick it forward or they really have a long-term work plan and they know very well where they stand (let's not forget that it is a global company, they may be liners but no idiots).
And I forgot about the ABS. How many distros provide in the same trivial way access to the compilation scripts of ABSOLUTELY ALL STABLE SYSTEM PACKAGES? As far as I know only Arch and its derivatives. (Gentoo does not count since they are a source distro).
Well, finally, Canonical's campaign to raise the $ 32 million has ended in failure. In total, contributions for US $ 12'812,776.00 have been obtained, which does not reach 50% of the required amount.
Many have confused the failure of this campaign with the failure of the Ubuntu Edge project… and they are two totally different things. Did the campaign fail? YES! So, with capital letters. And if someone argues, in defense of Canonical, that Mark and company knew in advance that this event would not come to fruition because their intentions were different ... better not say so. To use that premise would be to come to the logical conclusion that Canonical did not act honestly.
Now, does this failure mean that the project has died? NO! So, with capital letters. We can seriously question the moral quality of Mark Shuttleworth if we "think badly" and read between the lines the true intention of this event, however we must admit that, among other things, he has managed to manipulate the situation again to promote his project.
The result, from my perspective, has two edges: a bad one and a good one. The bad news is that, whatever it says in its defense, Canonical once again wore its image to a large part of the Linux community. Many will say, especially the hard followers of Ubuntu, that they are the same detractors as always who do not like that Canonical triumphs at all, but it seems to me that it is not like that.
I said above that using the argument of the hidden intentions of this campaign in defense of Mark was not appropriate ... and it is not because many of us are left with that feeling; that those who participated in good faith were teased. And that generates mistrust.
The good part is that his project has received a good promotion that, although without being vast and impressive, has crossed and crossed the borders of the Linux community and, even a little, has permeated even the "common" user of smartphones. Shuttleworth has insisted that despite the failure in its financing, the manufacturers of telephones have shown interest in the construction of terminals with this operating system. If so, it is very likely that Ubuntu Edge will go from being the "supersmartphone" to an operating system like Android.
Until finally there is someone who has differentiated the fiasco of the campaign with the milestone of the project itself.
The truth is that in itself, the concept would have been better if they had made at least a prototype made by themselves in order to demonstrate the possibilities that this cell phone has.
It doesn't seem like a failure because I think everything was premeditated, I've been thinking for a long time that Canonical only uses us as test rats, so I don't see strange that they wanted not only to measure the market but also to buy time while they have everything ready and propagandize even when they really have nothing to show for it. Canonical conclusion do not expect anything for free or anything without a reason, maybe that's why ubuntu is going the way it goes.
this is an OT for a tutor
hahaha
I see it as a failure, a missed opportunity and even a loss of Ubuntu's image, since it has been proposed to say 'this far we are going to get there' and they have not done so.
I think Mark should have put the rest and said 'go ahead'.
It has also influenced some canonical decisions against the community and not having it arguing that they are a company, they have heated the atmosphere and cooled the response.
@Hari Seldom said:
"I think Mark should have put the rest and said 'go ahead'"
It would have been the healthiest
this is an OI for a tutor
this is an IO for a tutor
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