Interesting article with hidden intentions (many flames) published in slash, based on this other (In English). I quote verbatim:
They count in The Register: Perhaps [what's] most important to the GNOME 3 refugees is that Xfce isn't trying to 'revolutionize' the desktop experience. Its development has been very slow historically, the recently released Xfce 4.8 has taken two years of development. The Xfce project tends to take pride in the lack of new features in every release, the effort is focused on improving existing features, ironing out details and fixing bugs rather than trying to quickly shut out competitors. ” link continue with more details about Xfce. More comments on LWN.net y reddit. And you, what desk do you use? Why?
They are right in something. The team of Xfce does not seek to compete with anyone. It is not about winning the battle Gnome o KDE, but to offer the user a Desktop light, functional, and that can be used without so many effects or things of that type.
The answer they gave me confirms it in the forum of Xfce when asking when this desktop would be ported to gtk3. Xfce 4.10 will be released in January and although it may contribute some new elements, its objective is none other than to correct everything that has failed in Xfce 4.8. I was telling a friend in DL.NET:
«At least we know that Xfce will be the same for a long time (simple, productive) as with Gnome or KDE we don't know .. »
Of course, let's not be fooled; Xfce It is no longer the light Environment it once was, as it can consume the same as Gnome y KDE depending on the applications we are using, but everything in it opens much faster. Xfce it also keeps its appearance similar to what it is Gnome 2 and that is why many users disenchanted with the new Gnome 3 they see it as an excellent alternative.
Example of it is Linus Torvalds. I don't see it as "The Creator of the Kernel" who messed with KDE 4 at first and then with Gnome 3but as "The Developer" you need a fast and intuitive desktop to work.
But are these only the reasons that users feel so comfortable with Xfce?
Unfortunately, Xfce has yet to rely on many applications of Gnome so that some users feel comfortable with it, but little by little they go adding some very light alternatives that are becoming part of this project.
I in particular feel very comfortable with this desk. It is true that for my taste some details are missing:
- Tabs on Thunar.
- Format memories easily.
- Remove the devices USB in a safe way.
- Global Proxy (although we already know how to do it manually).
- What do you think are (for you) the reasons why many users have adopted Xfce?
- Why the need for developers to do everything now for touch devices that have nothing to do with a conventional computer?
Personally, I think that developers who have the "death of the PC" in mind, betting on tablets and mobile devices are wrong, since the PC will never die as such, it is true that through these devices you can perform many tasks in common compared to desktops but not all.
Most users «Normal» They only use PCs to surf the internet, for social networks, listen to music, watch videos, perform work (office automation), read feeds-news-ebooks, video calls-chat and play, but there are not only these users, there are also programmers, graphic designers, researchers, etc, come on, users who need each and every one of the features that desktop computers have.
Without fear of being wrong, I do not think that the "advanced" users are a minority to globalize the term "the post-pc era" as if it were BC and AD. That they want to handle these concepts by simple commercialism is very different.
Answering your question:
Why the need for developers to do everything now for touch devices that have nothing to do with a conventional computer?
I think it's all because the "Mobile market" They find it a very promising field and much more lucrative for developers (and what to say about manufacturers, no one wants to lose their slice of cake XD) than that of the PC (there is the AppStore, more than one developer would sell his soul to the devil for your app to appear on your listing).
In short: One word: $$$$
Coincidentally yesterday a student from the center where I work approached my computer and when he saw Gnome-Shell in action, the first thing he said to me was: «It seems as if you are working with a touch mobile». And I swear it was someone who knows nothing about interfaces, or operating systems.
I do not see bad that developers think about $$$$, but Gnome for example, if they want to make a Desktop for touch devices (and even for mobile) why not separate one from the other? And like I say Gnome, I say Unity.
I agree with you when making differences in terms of desktops, but I find it difficult to do so, at least on the part of Gnome, Canonical seems to have this idea more present.
I do not remember the data or the source well, but I read a while ago when Gnome 3 made an appearance, that they were trying to develop a desktop environment (or window manager, I don't know what to call it) for mobiles, since they wanted to implement by complete the social desktop concept. With this they implied (and that was not how I interpreted it, if not rather that was what I was saying verbatim) that Gnome was no longer interested in developing for desktops, if not more for tablets and smartphones, than that. way they would bet on the future of development.
I swear to you that when I read it I was cold from the impression, the first thing I thought was: WTF? and the community that has so faithfully followed and supported them, where is it? What will become of the users who do not intend to abandon our PC's? Will all this be passed through the arch? I reaffirmed that news (at least in my head) when I provided Gnome3 and its shell in arch for the first time (since it was one of the first or the first distro to officially launch it), taking for granted my displeasure at that decision (both that I switch to KDE almost immediately).
Honestly, it was thanks to the Canonical shell that I decided to return to Gnome, I think Canonical can "nuance" the course of Gnome. LXDE and XFCE have a long way to go before switching to GTK3 and as much as I like GTK2 and Gnome2, for me it would be to step back and hold on to something that definitely "it was good while it lasted".
Maybe I put all my hopes in Canonical, but I think it is the only one that can get Gnome out of the quagmire (I love KDE but it has never been able to hook me like Gnome once did, I don't know why ¬_¬, if someone could solve that question for me existential, for my delighted XD). If Canonical "failure" I will have to return to KDE permanently and forget about Gnome for good (maybe I am pessimistic but I don't see that the situation improves, but on the contrary, I think that idea is more established 😉).
I have all my hopes on Xfce. They still need to go to Gtk3, but as it is so far I am satisfied. I just want this project to continue growing, but not in resources 😀
We are already with the usual, that's okay, nothing happens because they make money but the less they try to do that the better. Why? Because with the theme of pasta they say "if you don't like it, you screw up."
Which I already explained where the 20Gb of porn
ACDC… HAHA that's extremely cool to me HAHA.
Let's see, the problem with this mobile market is VERY simple, it is a NEW market, potential market ... nothing more. Desktops, yes, it is a market that is already well distributed, changes exist but everyone knows "where things are going".
While a new market implies new opportunities, new ways of generating income, that is why everyone does everything they can to bring their products to this market.
Ehhh… Strawberries?
It's not that I have anything against that group that I don't like, but I have a habit of calling the cool music made by the carcas of that time.
So you know, you are a strawberry.
Hahahaha
Hahaha and you don't know anything, around here we still listen to Juan and Junior, The Beattles and similar things hahaha
Moderators, I'm sorry I reposted but with the crash of your server my comment left before time, if you can delete the first and leave the second so as not to break the port, I would appreciate it.
P.D. WTF? with your XD hosting ...
Do not tell me anything, we have a anger that you can not imagine .. Grrrrrr
Regards. Two years ago I started testing Ubuntu and Xubuntu for an "old" computer running Windows 2000. It was for an old friend who always complained that his computer no longer worked as before. Later, having played a lot with Live CDs, I wanted to say goodbye to Windows forever. I had liked Xubuntu, but I found Ubuntu more practical because everywhere there was an answer to any problems I might encounter. I never thought that the day would come to say "goodbye" to Ubuntu too, but that's how it was: I didn't like Unity, nor the dash, nor the lack of configuration.
And so what a surprise to discover Linux Mint. Ah, long ago I had also played with Lubuntu, so with Linux Mint 9 and 10 I tried all: Gnome, Xfce and Lxde (I have never used KDE). I loved them all! However, I wanted something quicker and easier. So Linux Mint Debian arrived, and I fell in love with the Xfce version!
Of course, as in everything, I have had to learn new things, make mistakes, reinstall, but I am happy. The Xfce that I met with Xubunto 9.10 has changed a lot. In fact, this desk never ceases to amaze me when it comes to its versatility and great performance. With Lxde certain things of Gnome are missed, not so with Xfce.
I miss some things from Nautilus, like the F3 function that in one window could see two folders at the same time. This feature is great for organizing files. On the other hand, until now that I read Elav's present article, I just realized that I don't know how to format a USB stick, heck! Another thing that I miss, but that has nothing to do with the desktop, is the Ubuntu Software Center; I don't like the Linux Mint one. Wine is not available in the repositories either ...
If the philosophy of the Xfce team is to fix bugs, instead of developing new applications and features, then that's great. Perhaps there is the potential of Xfce, since although there is a new market for mobile devices, desktops will continue to exist. And within the linux users of these teams, there will always be those who want to work in a simple, stable and pleasant way.
Thank you very much for this article. I hope you keep posting more news and articles about Xfce.
To format memories you can use Gparted or a command (somewhat more cumbersome) which I will talk about another time. I am hoping to create some script that allows me to do this in a friendly way. But anyway, I'm not a programmer and I have to look for a lot of documentation.
Thunar lacks many things yet. Let's hope that in the future they will be incorporated without sacrificing performance, however, it is the only file manager that has Send to »Flash Memory as in Windows.
Wine is not in the Debian Testing repositories. Why? I do not know, but their reasons will have.
Well that Thunar does not have eyelashes burns me. I'd like to use it ahead of pcmanfm, but tabs are paramount for me.
One question, does the W7 file explorer use tabs? Just curious xD
Greetings, very good topic, I use debian but when changing to 7
my pc atrophied, everything turned out to be read with gnome3, so after a lot of searching for it, all I was left with was to say goodbye to gnome and trying alternatives, I stayed with Xfce4.8 and been finding ways to improve its appearance and I'm also very comfortable. I hope to continue using it and do not have changes as radical as gnome3.