Forogo saka haudye neruoko. Pashure pei panzvimbo dzekuvhota Vagadziri veDebian vanotaurira munhu wese kuti arege kutenderera achitenderedza nesystemd uye docking (kunze kwemisoro yakatemwa), vamwe vakapona avo zvechokwadi vaisazomira kukomberedza kutenderera zvaiimbwa pakutanga, asi izvo zvaitova chokwadi. Nhasi iro zano rine zita: Devuan.
Devuan (iyo VUA iri pakati ichibva kuVeteran Unix Admins) chinhu chekutanga chichaedza kuita kuvaka kutapurirana kubva kuDebian Wheezy kune ingangove vhezheni yeDevuan. Nezve izvo vatove nechero yavo yekugadzirisa (pasuru yako yekutanga), uyezve yavo BTS ichauya, inogona kuitika inoenderera yekubatanidza system (kubva github kune iyo jenkins builder uye kubva ipapo kuenda kuzororo ravo). Zvichakadaro, ivo vari kukumbira rubatsiro zvese mari sevashandi (vanogadzira).
Izvo zvakakoshawo kuratidza vanhu vanofarira sezvakataurwa synflag. Asi kunyanya, uyo akatanga iyo pfungwa yese yeforogo haasi mumwe kunze kweye artivist hacker Jaromil (anozivikanwa nenzvimbo yake yeprojekti dyne.orgiyo 100% yemahara distro dyne: bolic and the goko forkbomb sebasa rehunyanzvi). Kune runyerekupe rwekuti Keith Packard (anobva kuIntel uyezve nhengo yeTechnical Committee) naClement Lefebvre (kubva kuLinux Mint) vangafarirewo.
Parizvino hapana chimwe chakagadzirwa, hazvizivikanwe kuti ndeipi init yavanoshandisa nekumisikidza (pane akati wandei avanogona kusarudza kubva), kana ichizosununguka zana (zvingave zvine musoro mumaonero angu), asi ndiani anoda kufarira kumagumo kwenzvimbo iyi mazita (tsamba yekutumira, IRC, nezvimwewo)
https://devuan.org/
Zvakanaka muFirefox yangu, iyi kero
https://devuan.org/donate.html
inoita kunge peji rekunyepedzera (phishing). Chimwe chinhu pano chinonhuwirira ZVAKASIYANA (uye kwete… Handisi kureva kuti vanhu pa debianfork.org vanoda kuita chitsotsi, asi kuti zvinoita kunge "poetteringesco" sabotage). 🙁
MuFirefox inoratidzika se "nzvimbo yekufungidzira yekubiridzira"? Ive nekuchenjerera nekuti iyo inodzora iyo phishing rondedzero iGoogle, mune sarudzo iwe unogona kugadzirisa izvi. Saizvozvo, zvakanakisa kutaura nevakagadziri pamberi, vane IRC uye email pane iro peji kuti vataure newe.
Ivo havasati vatotanga uye ivo vari kutobvunza mari ...
Mhoro Mario!
Ndeipi vhezheni ye firefox iwe unayo?
Ndine vhezheni 31.2 uye yazvino (34).
Tarisa peji racho uye haritumire chero hunyengeri hweHush.
Chero nguva iyo peji rewebhu risina kupera, iwe unowana iyo poster. Ingo zviisa mune zvakasarudzika uye voila. Zvakafanana zvakaitika kwandiri neiyo OpenMandriva peji panguva iyoyo.
Ay ay ndizvozvo nekuti chitupa chessl chakasainwa pachako uye hachibhadharwe kune chinopa mvumo.
Uye neiyo inodzora webhu dhizaini xDD
Ndinovimba vanoshandisa Systemd… ah… ok ok ok…
Zvinosuruvarisa kuti timu yeDebian yakakamukana, kunyangwe ini ndisina chokwadi chekuti simba richaramba richiwanikwa neane veteran distro, akavhurika kuti aone kuti rudzii rwekuvandudza iyi forogo ine, nekuti kana vari kungochinja mapakeji mashoma, ini ndichatevera kusara nerutsigiro rwese uye neruzivo rweDebian Gnu / Linux.
Zvino izvo kana iwe ukatora mukana wekuita LXQT iyo default desktop uye zvikaitika upe katsi ruoko kune iyo visualization, zvakafanana uye ini ndinofunga nezvazvo zvakadzikama.
Usave unoshamisa, timu yeDebian haina kupatsanurwa, vamwe vanogadzira vanosiya uye vanozotsiviwa nevamwe (kana Ubuntu ikada kutanga system chimwe chinhu chichafanirwa kuitwa), vamwe vanoita forogo, zvakanaka, zvinowanzoitika muLinux iyi (kana chii chiri linuxmint). Systemd haigutsi vanhu vazhinji uye, nerombo rakanaka, mune yemahara software nzira dzinogona kupatsanurwa, chinhu chinonakidza ndechekuti makore mashoma apfuura, Gentoo akashandisa iyo yatove ne openrc ichimhanya, uye pakanga paine kupokana neiyo incipient systemd (yatove ipapo Poettering haina Ndakatora kushoropodzwa kwenharaunda ino zvakanaka), uye hapana chakaitika, ikozvino nyaya iyi yakachena kuchena.
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Iyo forogo yevanhu vasingade systemd, kwete kuchinjira kune yakanyanyisa debian kune chimwe chinhu chakanakisa uye chinotonhorera.
Hapana kunetsekana, kana systemd ichikanganisa ese ma distros ndiri kuenda kuFreeBSD.
Ah
Ndiri kutoshandisa FreeBSD
:3
Chinhu chakanakisa kuita zvawakaita… mirira Manjaro yakaburitswa net inst, openbox uye Xfce ine OpenRc. Kuchine tariro ...
Zvakanaka, huya kuno, isu tiri kutanga!
http://www.bsdunix.ml
Mhinduro yakanaka: D.
"Boohoohoo, isu tiri maUnix Veterans uye hatishandisi iyo nyowani system ine akawanda mabluffs"
Ini handifunge systemd, pachinzvimbo ndinochikoshesa, iyo sisitimu inokurumidza zvikuru kubvira pandakaita shanduko.
Kuti kana zvikatanga iwe ...
Inotanga miriyoni, systemd haisi marara, ine nzira yayo yekuve, hongu, asi Red Hat Inc. haibheje pamatekinoroji emarara, ini ndiri nharaunda kusvika pakunyanyisa asi ruvengo rwe systemd rwuri kutipedza, zvishoma kutaurisa uye kuwedzera kukodha.
Iyo sisitimu? Chii chine sisitimu ine chekuita nekutanga mukumhanya kwayo? Zvingave here kuti kutanga kunokurumidza? Ok, iwe wakangorasa rukudzo rwangu, uchifunga kuti kutanga kunoita kuti system ikurumidze, senge iyo iyo Vanoti shangu dziri nani dzinoita kuti dzimhanye nekukurumidza ...
Hazvingave zvirinani kuita iso pamwe nekuisa sarudzo? Ndokunge, mushandisi anosarudza kuti anoda systemd kana openRc
Chingave chakanakisa, kusarudza, systemd kana OpenRC kana imwe yakapusa, asi haisi iyo pfungwa yeRH. Zvirinani kuti munhu wese ashandise chinhu chimwe chete, icho chavanoita.
Ivo vakazvitaura zvakanaka munguva yakapfuura: linux uye zvese zvinotenderera pairi zvakafanana nekenza inodya pachayo
Iwe unofanirwa kuvenga gnu / linux kuti ude yako "windows-aero"?
ps: ndatenda nekushoropodza masisitimu atinoshandisa pano, iwe uri padyo nesu.
Hei, nei uchifanira kuda windows kuvenga linux? Kunze kwezvo, haana kumbotaura kuti anomuvenga.
Kungoti nekuti zvinoita sekunge zvinoshandisa Windows, iwe watozvimaka kare zvinhu zvakawanda zvausingatozive kana zviri zvechokwadi. Kutaura kwake kwaigona kunge kwakaitwa nekuti anofunga kuti kupatsanuka kukuru uye kunyanyisa ikenza.
Usape chikafu troll
Izvo zvakashata kutaura asi iwe uri kutaura chokwadi, iwe uye yako aero. Microsoft yakabatana uye kunze kweVista neWindows 8, ivo havaite sarudzo dzakangoerekana dzaitika uye kana vachizvigadzirisa (Windows 7 uye ikozvino gumi). MuWindows, hauna kumbobvira watonga chero chinhu, saka haugone kurasikirwa nechinhu chausina uye zvinhu izvi hazviwanzo kuitika, zvimwe, zvinoitika neimwe nzira kutenderera, munhu wese akati, windows foni kutadza uye zvakazoitika kuti inoshanda chaizvo uye nemazvo.
Pakaburitswa forogo yerefreoffice, vazhinji vevashandisi veoffoffice vakasiya chirongwa ichi. saka libreoffice, kubva paminiti 0 yaive nemhando.
iyi forogo iyo kusvika parizvino haina chimwe chinhu kunze kwewebhusaiti, haina marekodhi ane iyo forogo software, kana mufananidzo unogoneka. ndiko kuti kana vari kutokumbira mari.
debian ine angangoita 37500 emahara software mapakeji, asi ini handizive kuti mangani asiri mahara uye anobatsira, uye ndichifunga izvo kuna Jessie ruzhinji rwezvirongwa rwakashandisirwa systemd. tiri kutaura nezve kutanga kubva pa0 kugadzirisa 37500 kuita sysvinit basa rinoda vanhu vazhinji vane ruzivo rwakawanda
Ini handinyatso kuziva kana avo vari muchirongwa cheichi forogo vanhu vanozivikanwa, ndinoreva mumwe munhu ane mukurumbira, izvo zvinokurudzira kuvimba kudiki
Hunhu hwedebian software haukwanisike asi izvi ndizvo mhedzisiro yedebian kwete kungova sisitimu yekushandisa, ine mitemo uye uzivi nehurongwa hwehurongwa, hwakasimba kudzora mhando, izvo zvakapa kuenderana mukati meizvi 20 makore.
Chekupedzisira chirongwa ichocho chichava forogo yedebian, zuva raine zvinyorwa, mugadziri uye iwo mwero wakaenzana wehunhu sewe debian. asi chero zvakadaro iprojekti yeiyo yakatorwa kubva kudebian kana yakatorwa kubva kune yakatorwa, ayo ari anopfuura 1000, pakati pavo ubuntu, nint, trisquel, knoopix, distros edzidzo, huayra, nezvimwe, nezvimwewo, nezvimwe.
Kubva pane zvandinoona mune yakataurwa, wanga uchishaya mamwe maratidziro ekuverenga.
kana runyerekupe rukashanduka kuita chokwadi tinotaura.
… .Pane runyerekupe rwekuti Intel so and so blabla, uye kuti ini handizive kwaano blabla… .. kutanga vanotora forogo neiyo repository ye37000 yemapakeji epamusoro akapfuudzwa ku sysvinit vobva vakumbira mari 😉
Ini ndinojekesa kuti ini handioni zvachose zvakaipa kuti forogo yedebian inogadzirwa, asi kuti ive iri, inofanirwa kunge yakaita sedhibian uye kwete nyonganiso kana kudira iyo gallery. Asi ivo vanoti zvichibva pana debian uye voila
Totally ... haazive kuti Jaromil kana shamwari dzake ndivanaani, uye ini handimu Google ... kunze kweizvozvo ivo vachangotanga ... asi hei, ipapo iye. Nenzira yevaya vasingazive, jaromil mukuwedzera kuve ne distro kumashure kwayo, software ye bitcoin uye kupa kune frei0r-plugins, mukomana akazvipira kune zvaanoita. Iye pachezvake akanyora email nhasi, kune benzi rakati harikwanise kukumbira mipiro risina kuisa mazita rikamuudza zvakajeka, kuti hazviite nekuti vatomurwisa nenzira inosemesa pa reddit (Ndinoziva) uye kuti arasikirwa nemabasa mu apfuura, ini ndaive nenguva yakaipa, asi aigara achienderera nezvose patsoka dzake, dyne.org kunyangwe anga asina basa, nhasi imwe shamwari yeItaly yanga ichiita zvinhu uye ikati yaida kupedzisa zvimwe zvinhu nekukurumidza nekuti aive nematambudziko ehutano uye kunyangwe ndakadaro ndakagara paPC ndichiita zvinhu. Bard, mukomana anobva kuArch, zvinoonekwa kuti vanozivikanwa muItari (bard is Italian) vakabatana nechikwata, saka, izvo zvataurwa pamusoro apa ... izere idiocy, zvinofungidzirwa kuti ivo vana vadiki vanoita remix ye Fedora.
hazvina kukwana kushandisa maparaguru ekare? uye uvandudze ivo kubva ipapo.
zvakare kwete ese iwo mapakeji anogadzira systemd kutsamira
Kwete, hazvina kufanana nekuti vanofanirwa kuvhura nekuchenesa mazwi ejaromil, mapakeji ane kutsamira systemdlib0 ayo akawanda.
Izvo zvaanoreva ndezvekuti ivo havafanirwe kuchinja mapakeji, zvinofungidzirwa kuti kana iwe ukaita apt-tora kuisa, iyo package inoiswa pamwe neanoenderana zvinoenderana zveyako system. Iyo pasuru pachayo haisi iyo iyo inosanganisa iwo akatsamira.
Zvakare, zvinoita kwandiri kuti, kazhinji, zvirongwa zvinoshanda zvisinei nehurongwa hwekutanga hwaunayo.
Kunze kwekunge ivo vachida kuti systemd iiswe kuti ishande, ipapo zvirongwa zvinofanirwa kushanda zvakanaka, uye izvo zvakangoitika neGnome kusvika zvino.
Iyo ngano yekuti yekugadzirisa kuita systemd. Zviri nyore kwazvo kuibvisa (http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation). MuDebian iwo mazana matatu nemazana mashanu emapakeji anochengeta kumwe kuenderana ne sysv, uye systemd-shim yakavapo kwenguva yakareba - zvakafanana zvinoenda kubuntu-. Izvo hazvina kuita fedora iyo yakachena systemd uye haugone kudaidza yekare sysv mirairo.
Kunze kweiyo Gnome, systemd ingangoita yekumanikidza uye iyo yega distro iyo yakamubata iri Funtoo.
ndizvozvo, asi kune anti-systemd iyo isingade imwe systemd package pane yavo system, debian 8 inomanikidza kuti ive ne libsystemd0 package. Mhinduro iyo yakagadzirwa mu debian ndiyo systemd-shim package iyo inobvumidza iwe kuti uve ne sysvinit-core uye kugona kuisa ma desktops senge kde, gnome, lxde, mate, nezvimwe. kunzvenga kubvunzwa systemd-sysv
Chaizvoizvo, pane chero munhu anorangarira here kuti Tanglu, uyo akabuda aine hunyanzvi uye saucer achiti aizozadza nzvimbo iyo Testing yaisakwanisa kuzadza?
Pano iwe unayo
http://tanglu.org/download/
Iye zvino ivo vane beta 2 yeshanduro 2
Ndiri kufara kwazvo kuti ichi chinyorwa chakagadzirwa uye ndine urombo kuona zvirevo zvakaita sekuti "systemd yangu inotanga nekukurumidza" kana nyaya yacho isingapfuure nekumhanya. Ndinovimba, ivo vanhu vamwe chete vanoti izvo havafanirwe kubata uye kugadzirisa madhimoni pane sevha, nekuti PANO ndinoda kuvaona vachida systemshit. Izvo zvinoitika ndezvekuti kunyange linus inoda kupa kuwedzera kukurumidza kune iyo linux desktop asi ine systemd ivo vakapfuura pamusoro pemutsara, inovhiringidza uye inopinza, haibvumire kuremadza zvinhu zvakaita semagazini uye inotsiva mapurojekiti akaedzwa-eyakaitwa kubva makore akaita rsyslog, uye ini ndinokukoka iwe kuti uone pawebsite ye gentoo kuenzanisa pakati pe systemd, openrc, sysvinit uye kumusoro kuitira kuti iwe ugone kuona zviuru zvemitsetse isina kunyorwa yekodhi ye systemd inopfuura zviuru zvemamwe masisitimu ekutanga. Izvo zviri pachena iro ramangwana reandroid, systemd kunze kweiyo kernel ingangove yakazara OS kubva kune tekinoroji yekutarisa senge android, hapana munhu anoshandisa Android kana chromeOS pamaseva
PS: Ini ndinosimbisa diaze, iyo tambo ndeye gplv3 + saka ichave yemahara uye debian, gentoo uye kde mugadziri akaiswa
rezenisi ndeipi gplv3 +? mapakeji avanogadzira kana toooooooooda iyo distro
@synflag: Kana ini handisi kutaura kubva mukusaziva, ndinoziva kuti init script haina kuenzaniswa ne systemd .sevhisi, uye ini handizvione semunhu akasimba mudziviriri asi hunhu hwe «nyika irikuguma ngatimhanyei kune imba yekutandarira kuti tizvidzivirire kubva ku systemd inondirova "Hausiwo mugumo weuzivi hweUNIX muGNU / Linux distros pavanenge vachipenda.
Kwete kuti ini ndinoda systemd kune vamwe, muhupenyu chaihwo ini handina basa nezviri pasi sekureba sekushanda zvakanaka, asi ini ndinovimba kuravira kwaRed Hat, Debian, Arch nevamwe vashandisi. Mune mawonero angu, kuforogo kwaDebian nekuda kweiyo init kutambisa zviwanikwa, zvinogona kunzi systemd yatokunda hondo, avo vasara ndivo vapanduki pachitsuwa.
Zvakanaka, kune vanhu vakaringana vasingafunge kuti kuri kutambisa zviwanikwa.
Avo vasiri kufara ne systemd, vazhinji vacho vashandisi vemberi uye sysadmins. Ndiko uko musika uri chaizvo linux yakasimba. Pa desktop haina kusvika 2%.
Wakavhura izvo zvirinani kufunga nezve kuchengetedza iyo quota yemaseva handiti?
Ivo vachiri NON-ACTIVE vashoma mune yemahara software kuvandudza, ivo vanozvitsanangudza-vega vashandisi vemberi (yekutanga debian forogo saiti yaive inoseka, yakanyanya neckbeard 4channer maitiro).
Izvo zvinofungidzirwa, ndosaka chikamu chemusika weLinux chiri kuramba chichikura mumaseva kunyangwe systemD uye iwe une zvirongwa zvekutanga-garde senge CoreOS inoshandisa mabhenefiti ainopa.
Chokwadi ndechekuti iwe une vanhu vazhinji vasingade kuchinja, uye ndivo vamwe vakaita ruzha senguva dzose, vanhu vanogunun'una nekuti zviri nyore kunyunyuta pane kuronga nekupa. Vakanyunyuta kuXorg, vakanyunyuta ku KDE 4, uye linux yakaramba ichishanda. Kazhinji, vanotyisidzira kuenda kuBSD uye pavanoona kuti hapana anovapotsa (uye kuti havazive kuisa BSD zvakanaka) vanodzoka nemiswe yavo pakati pemakumbo avo
Ini handivimbe neRH. Kubva ipapo takatanga zvakashata, chimwe chinhu kwandiri kana ndichiitira hanya zviri pasi peOS yangu kutanga, kubva kune sata tambo kuenda kubhootloader. Muchokwadi, kana zviri sezvavari kupenda, systemd haisi POSIX uye haisi LSB, saka chii ichocho? ... kuhwina ... Kune izvo ngatimbomira kufongorera uye kugehena, ngatishandisei Windows 10 zvinoita kunge barbarous!
Saka chii chaunoita uchishandisa kernel iyo yakagoneswa muchikamu chikuru nemipiro kubva kuvanhu paRed Hat?
Hmm pachezvangu ini ndinoshandisa GNU / Linux nekuti ndeye mahara, kwete kunzwa kuti ini ndinoshandisa Windows chimwe chinhu chiri nani, kutaura zvazviri ini ndashandisa Linux kwenguva yakareba uye munzira dzakawanda haisi yepamusoro kune Windows kana OSX (nepo mune mamwe akawanda iri) , asi ndeye mahara uye ndizvo zvakakosha.
Zvinosekesa zvakapetwa kuti "Ini handivimbe RedHat" sezvo Linux yaisazove iriko pasina rutsigiro rwemakambani akaita saRed Hat, iyo nenzira yanga ichibatanidzwa mukusimudzira kernel pakati pezvimwe zvinhu kubvira pakutanga.
Iyo ine xfce nekukasira 😉
http://k30.kn3.net/2/1/A/4/F/A/3BD.jpg
Handizivi…
Ichi chiratidzo chingave chakakwana.
Ndinoifarira, ndiri kuzokumbira iwe.
@tenshinhan
Haishande? Iwe haufunge kwete. Devuan muenzaniso kuti hongu, uye ini ndinokuudza kuti kupfuura Devuan vanogara vachipa, iwe haungovaona.
@daryo
Pakupedzisira uyo anozviziva!
Kwete saLennart, uyo anoshandisa Fedora sevha ... zvinosuwisa:
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Apache / 2.4.10 (Fedora) OpenSSL / 1.0.1e-fips mod_fcgid / 2.3.9 PHP / 5.5.16
Iwe unofunga sei kuti mukomana anoshandisa Fedora 20 sevha anogona kufunga nezve chimwe chinhu kupfuura desktop? Vese vanozopedzisira voshandisa rudzi rweWindows asi neLinux kernel, isinganzwisisike, ipapo rusununguko rwavanoda kana ruchazove zvese zvirinani?, chete avo vanoziva C ndivo vanokwanisa kunzwisisa chimwe chinhu. Saka harusi rusununguko chete rweiyo sysadmin iri panjodzi pano, asi zvakare yeavo vashandisi avo vangangoda kugona kuverenga TXT kana kuziva matangiro anoita daemon nekuverenga yavo bash script.
Kushandisa Fedora kwakafanana nekushandisa isina kugadzikana Red Hat. Anokwanisa kuzviita nekuti iye anovandudza, kwete sysadmin senge iwe unotya C.
>>> Iwe unofunga sei mukomana anoshandisa Fedora 20 sevha anogona kufunga nezve chimwe chinhu kupfuura desktop?
Ndokumbirawo, ngatirambei tine chinangwa, kana mukazvitarisa nemaonero Fedora 20 haisi Arch kana Gentoo, iri zita rekutengeserana (nekudaro kukwezva ma testers emahara pane dai ari "RHEL Kuedza") kune hwaro hweiyo inotevera kuburitswa kwe "Red Hat" Enterprise Linux », sezvo ini pachangu ndichishandisa kuongorora kweDebian sevha yeprojekti ichaburitswa kana Kwayedza iri Yakagadzikana, uye muchidimbu Lennart ari Red Hat injinjini, anogona kukwanisa kuishandisa mune chero, pachokwadi ivo vanobhadharwa uye vanokurudzirwa kushandisa Fedora kuti vape blaze uye vawane bugs.
Pakupedzisira, mumwe nemumwe anofungisisa nemutsago kana achiri muDebian kana achienda kuDevuan ndokutsanangurira vatungamiriri vekambani zvikonzero izvi: «... ini ndiri veteran unix admin ...» o_O
Kana iwe ukaona pasina chakaipa nekushandisa Fedora sevha, saka hapana zvakawanda zvekukurukura. Ngatishandisei Windows 7 ine IIS, wadii?
Ini handione chero chakaipa neinjiniya kuyedza yake nyowani software pane yake yega blog, iwe wasiya iyo nyaya iyo yakagadzirirwa systemd.
Lennart nechikwata hazvishande pane zvavanoda, havasarudze nzira yekupedzisira yesystemd, ivo vashandi veRed Hat, uye yavo inomiririra RHEL ndeye maseva. Ndinotaura Chinese here?
Ini handisati ndaverenga yekutanga chikonzero chinogombedzera nei systemd ari "iye Satani mutsva." Mumwe munhu kana matanda acho asiri mumagwaro akajeka, uye kuti matanda ari mumagwaro akajeka akanaka nekuti anogona kuisefa ... bah, zvakafanana nekubuditsa chero murairo, uye rairo ndiyo inoshandiswa nesystemd kuverenga zvinyorwa zvebhinari. Mumwe munhu kana asingakwanise kushandura zvinyorwa zvekutanga nekuti hazvina kunyorwa mushell script ... bah, sekunge munhu akapedza hupenyu hwake achigadzirisa zvinyorwa zvekutanga (mukuwedzera, mune faira reini zviri pachena) ... uye blah blah blah , bhora rinoruma uye rinopararira. Ndinyengetedze! Ndichiri kuchimirira, kugutsikana. Uye usauye kwandiri nefilosofi yeUnix: Unix yoda kufa, kufa, Linux yakauraya zvishoma nezvishoma. Zvikunde! Ikozvino pane zvirongwa zvakakura kwazvo zvisingaenzanisike zvikara uye zviripo, hapana anozvishora. Ese aya mabhureki haasi chimwe chinhu kunze kwekuratidzwa kwekuramba kushanduka, vanhu vari munzvimbo yavo yekunyaradza uye vanoshora chero paradigm shift. Ivo vanotowana kupusa kuti kana iyo kodhi isina kunyorwa. Ini ndinoshamisika kuti vangani vavo vakaverenga yemahara yekushandisa kodhi, ine hombe yakawanda yemahara kodhi iriko isina zvinyorwa! Kunze kwekutsvaga kodhi yakanyorwa, kwete mutemo. Uye zvakare kuti kana zvimwe zvese zvayedzwa zvakanyanya uye ichi chitsva. WTF! Zvirinani kusaronga chero chinhu chitsva, chii icho, nekuti isu tichaunza mabugs uye neyese yekare kodhi yatinayo neaya ese ekare, asingashande uye akapera maalgorithms akaedzwa zvakanyanya, zvekuti tinoisa panjodzi. (!!)
Sekunge mumwe munhu aifanira kukutendisa nezvei? Ndatenda zvikuru nekuuraya hanzi yakaisa mazai egoridhe. Ndeupi musika iwo unowana makomo eRedHat mari kubva? Ndeupi mhando yekomputa mune iyo GNU / Linux ine 95% kuwanda?. Yemahara uye inobata * NIX mapuratifomu anotonga nhasi (uye vamwe vanozvirumbidza nezve yavo inodhura yeUnix-yakasimbiswa aluminium Hardware). Iko hakuna imwe nzira (kunyangwe Windows server ine Unix koni). Chinhu chakanaka Stallman akatarisira makumi emakore apfuura kuti aite Unix-inoenderana.
Ini ndinoti ivo vanondikurudzira kuti systemd yakaipa nekuti kunyangwe ndikazvitarisa kwese kwese ini ndinongoona kuti zvakasiyana; nekuti kururamisa kwese kwavanoita hakuna kusimba, vanongova zvikonzero zvekugara panzvimbo yaunoziva. Kune rimwe divi, ini ndinoona mabhenefiti: Ini ndinoona masisitimu achisimudza nekukurumidza, ini handioni kusagadzikana kwakadai zvekuti ivo vanotaura nezvazvo muma distros ayo atove kushandisa systemd, ini ndinoona iko kushandiswa uko CoreOS inopa kune systemd kusimudza midziyo ine zvikepe (zviri nyore sei ndeyekugadzirisa systemd kusimudza docker mudziyo pamwe nebasa rekutenda kumafaira ayo ekumisikidza mune ini fomati). Saka ini ndoda mumwe munhu kuti andiudze chimwe chinhu chakashata nezve systemd kuti ndigone kuti: ndizvozvo, iko kusakwana * chaiko, kwete kungo fanirwa nechisimba munhu akaumbwa kuti agunun'une nekuti vari kumanikidza kuti zvishande zvakasiyana .
kana iwe uchida yakawanda technical data
http://www.linuxito.com/gnu-linux/nivel-alto/431-por-que-systemd-es-una-mierda
idzodzo hadzisi dhata rehunyanzvi chete rusaruro wezvematongerwo enyika, mhinduro zhinji kune izvo zvinopomerwa nezve systemd zvinopindurwa nalennart iye http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
http://0pointer.net/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
Uye heino mumwe anozviramba:
http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?105735-New-Group-Calls-For-Boycotting-Systemd&p=437642#post437642
Yakachena FUD. Zvakawanda zvinotaurwa zvinoenderana nekufungidzira nezve izvo zvinogona kuitika. Maumbirwo ematanda haana kusviba sezvaanopenda iwo, uye kana vakashatiswa nemagetsi kukundikana kana chimwe chinhu chakafanana (sezvazvinogona kuitika kune syslogs) journalctl ine nzira dzekudzosa uye kunyangwe, mune yakaipa kesi, inogona kuverengerwa nemamwe mafaera ekuverenga maturusi aine zvishoma kusefa ne grep uye sed. Iwo anopikisana neiyo Unix uzivi, zano rangu nderekuti kana iwe uri purist, isa Unix uye voila, dzokera kuma '70s. Kana iwe uri yakachengeteka Unix purist iwe haufanire zvakare kuda inesimba kernel module kurodha uye otomatiki Hardware kuwanikwa neudev. Anenge mapoinzi ese anotenderera kuenderana kweUnix, kunyangwe ichifanirwa kunge ichienderana neakawanda sei libc kuitiswa, nezvimwe. Nei pasina munhu akanyunyuta, semuenzaniso, kuti udev iri Linux-chete? Ne systemd zvaive zvakafanira kuunganidza rondedzero yezvinhu zvese zvaive zvisirizvo nazvo, saka vakakwenya uropi hwavo vachitsvaga zvese zvingabvisa mapoinzi, nekudaro vakawana kadhi rekusawirirana, kana paine zvinhu zvakawanda muGNU / Linux izvo zviri Linux-chete.
Hum kamwe kuseka
http://www.boycottlinux.org/
Ndinobvumirana newe. Zvakare, sekuzvinzwisisa kwandakaita, vhoti yakatorwa uye chikumbiro chaSystemd chakakunda, saka ivo vari kuita forogo vanogumbuka vashoma zvekuti zano ravo harina kukunda. Pasi pemutemo iwoyo pachave neforogo yemusoro wega wega. Munhu mumwe distro! Tinoenda seizvi.
ye sysadmins heino kuunganidzwa kwezvinyorwa nezve systemd kubva kulennart blog http://0pointer.net/blog/archives.html yevatungamiriri http://goo.gl/Vgt7WF mune epub fomati
Kuti ivo vanoshandisa initng kana GNU dmd.
Mune yangu kesi ndakamira kushandisa Debian makore mashoma apfuura.
Haisi chimwe chinhu chinobata chete Debian. Inobata iyo "moyo" yeLinux. Isu hatisi kutaura nezve «juanito» kugovera.
Zvinogona kutaridza senge anecdotal asi kusada kwevakawanda kuchinja munyika umo kuchinjika kwakakosha kwakaita kuti kuve nemamiriro ezvinhu seaya makore ese matatu kana mana. Ndanga ndichishandisa systemd kweinopfuura gore uye nekuvimbika, huropi hwangu hauna kuora. Ini zvakare ndinobata michina ine sysVinit uye ndinoifarira. Ivo vakangosiyana nesimba ravo uye nekushaya simba kwavo.
Makore mashoma apfuura ini ndakatopedza ne pulseaudio «dhiabhori kuti hapana munhu aida nekuti ALSA yakavapa zvavaida». Kana tikatarisa kumashure, pakanga paine kunyunyuta nezve iyo debian installer iyo yakagadzirwa kubva kuHot Potato. Kana ivo vakatokanda matombo kuININX kana kupfuura nguva pfupi yadarika kubtrfs.
Uye zvakadii nezveavo vanhu vanopenga vakagadzira processor yakachipa uye ndokuisungira kuTV diki kuti uitengese kune vanhuwo zvavo ... bufff, kupenga, vanhuwo zvavo vanoda komputa yei? (kuguma kwekusanzwisisa)
Musiyano chete ndewekuti idzi hurukuro dzaimboitika mukona yebhawa nevakomana vana vaiziva zvavaitaura nekuti vaizvifambisa zuva rese. Chero ani asina kuzvifarira, haana kuzvipfekedza kana kutounganidza boka revanhu kuti vagadzire dzimwe nzira.Izvi zvakashanda kwemakore uye hakuna kumbove nemutambo wakadai, kana zvisiri dzimwe nzira uye kusiana kwakatungamira mukufambira mberi.
Asi ikozvino sezvo nharaunda yave nekuonekwa kwakanyanya kuhurukuro idzi, mativi uye kurwa kusinganzwisisike kunoitwa panofanirwa kuve nemakwikwi uye kugadzira kugadzira izvo zviripo uye kuratidza kuti imwe yacho haina kunaka. Vanokura bhora rechando risina musoro pane kugadzira nekugadzira dzimwe nzira.
Isu tasiya kona yakasviba yebhawa ... asi kubva pane zvandinoona zvanyanya.
Zvakanaka, murume ndinobvuma kuti vazhinji vanofunga vasingazive kugadzira nhaurirano dzisina musoro.
uye kuti hapana chakakanganisika ne systemd chero bedzi paine dzimwe nzira uye haina kumisikidzwa kune wese munhu, uye kune dzimwe nzira dzakanaka senge runit openrc etc.
Iniwo handinzwisise kuti sei dambudziko rakawanda nekugadzira forogo.Kana vari 4 vanokanganisa kuchinja sezvavanotaura kana zvikapedzisira zvava kugoverwa nemhedzisiro uye nerutsigiro rwemunharaunda, nguva ichataura asi vamwe vanofunga kuti kana Linux isiri rudzi rwe microsoft uko kune kubatana kwakazara kunopera.
Ndozvandiri kureva. Mune dambudziko iri pane vaviri chete vanokanganiswa uye hapana munhu anogumburwa, ndinotaura izvi kubva pane zvakaitika kwandiri pandinosangana nevatariri vehurongwa hwakasiyana.
Panzvimbo yekutanga ivo ndeavo avo ekuti yavo yebasa inopindirana yakanangana nekushanda kweiyo systemd uye dzakasiyana init. Kana iwe uri mumwe wevaya vari pachigaro ichi, iwe unenge uine ruzivo rwakakwana kuti uchinjike kune systemd, kuigadzirisa kune zvaunoda kana kungo fambisa kuenda kune kumwe kugovera kana kuita iyo yekuvandudza yemapakeji akaomesesa mune zvisina-kuchengetedzwa shanduro iwe pachako.
Chero ani asingaite kudaro ndeye "nyaradzo yepasi pebako."
Kana iwe uri muboka iri, hauna hanya nedhiian, arch, fedora kana chero chinhu. Iwe unovaka zvaunoda zvichibva pane zvaunoda kupfuura izvo zvinogoverwa nekupihwa kana kana ukazvishongedzera nemoyo murefu, gadzira boka rinoshanda kuti riite chimwe chinhu chitsva uye kana iwe uine mhedzisiro uzviparidze pamberi penzanga. Pano gakava rinogara richida kugadzirisa izvo iwe zvaunofunga zvinonyanya kushanda, kwete kushoropodza zvimwe zvese.
Kune rimwe divi, kune avo vasingapindire zvachose mumabasa avo ezuva nezuva uye vangaite basa rimwe chete neakavhurikaRC, initV kana systemd. Idzi ndidzo dzinokwezva kune zvakajairwa misoro.
Iri boka haripfuure "kugovera" uye havawanzo kutora chirongwa, kuchishandura nekuchizadza kune zvavanoda. Ivo havavaki izvo zvavanoda asi vanotora izvo zvavakatoita uye vanozvitora kunge zvavo. Ndiro chaizvo boka iri rinogadzira mazwi akadai se "systemd boycott" "sysGarbage" kana dzidziso yekurangana yekudzora zvakakwana sezvandakaverenga nguva pfupi yadarika.
Ehezve kune boka rekupedzisira rinova iro "I-sign-in-fashoni" vanoisa ubuntu kuti vatange pamberi peshamwari dzavo uye voti ivo linuxers uyezve ivo vakaswera vaine windows. Nehurombo boka iri rakaoma tinder yerudzi urwu rwezvisina maturo uye vanongotaura chinhu chimwe chete icho chavakaverenga vasina kuchidya pakutanga. Ini handitombovaudza nekuti hazvina zvazvinoita kwavari uye nerombo rakanaka isu tese tinoziva nzira yekuvasiyanisa kwazvo.
jorks ini ndaizowedzera rimwe boka uye ndiro rinoshandisa linux kune ideology, izvi zvinoreva kuti kunyangwe ivo vasinganzwisise zvavari kutaura nezvazvo, vanopinda muhurukuro dzehunyanzvi vachitsigira izvo zvinoenderana navo "zvinobatsira mahara software zvakanyanya",
ipapo kune vamwe vanofunga kuti systemd "i Trojan bhiza kudzora mahara software kuburikidza ne redhat" nevamwe vanofunga kuti ndiyo nzira kwayo yekumisikidza linux uye kuiita kuti iwedzere uye vese avo vanofunga zvakasiyana imhaka yekuti vari kutya chinja.
sezvandamboreva kune yangu systemd ndinoiona ichinakidza (uye kana iine hurema) asi iwe unofanirwa kurega kuona zvinhu sehondo tsvene.
Uye chenjera, ini handisi kushoropodza nzvimbo idzi (vhura avo vane nharo dzakanaka kwazvo) asi avo vanozviita kunze kwedzidziso vasingazive zvavari kutaura nezvazvo
Debian, murwi mukuru weGNU / Linux, akapihwa sytemd uyo anoda kudzora munhu wese neiyo yese Linux system, asingakwanise kugadzirisa kana kugadzirisa zviputi zvainazvo, zvinonyadzisa zvikuru kuti kuyedza kwese kwakaitwa naDebian kusvika nhasi - ramba uri mumawoko maoko seRet Hat's systemd, zvakaipisisa pane zvese zvinotakura zvigadzirwa zvinoenderana nazvo.
Yakanaka kuna Devuan, anodzivirira iyo yemahara software uye kuti mushandisi anogona kugadzirisa uye kugadzirisa nzira yaanoda. Ndinovimba Linux Mint uye kumwe kugovera kunoparadzanisa Devuan uye usaendese kune sytemd.
Ndiri kuyedza iyo FreeBSD desktop system uye iri kuita zvakanaka.
Debian atengesa zviga zvake uye huzivi hweLinux, kuyedza kwayo kwese kwemakore kwasvika pasina nekupa Sytemd, ane mutemo weRet Hat unonyima mugadziri kana vashandisi kugadzirisa kana kugadzirisa zvikanganiso zvehurongwa - kuruboshwe yakazara kutonga kwe systemD iyo Ret Hat inobata. Nayo, inotungamira akawanda anotora achienda mukumisikidza uye kutonga kwese kwevashandisi vayo veWindows-mhando
Devuan, ndiko kupokana nehutongi hwehutongi (systemd) hwavanoda kutanga munzira yavo yekutonga kuzere, munguva yakanaka iyi distro inomuka uye pamwe neLinux Mint uye mamwe maGNU / Linux softwares avanogona kupa yemahara software isina sytemd, uye chengetedza rusununguko uye gadzirisa kune kuravira kwevagadziri oh vashandisi veLinux.
Ini ndakanga ndisina dambudziko reDebian ne systemd, ndaive nekukonana. Mukunzwisisa kwangu izvi zvakaverengerwa zvisirizvo mukati mekugovera uye zvinhu zvinoverengeka, zvine musoro kuna Debian, vakatyaira mamiriro acho kusvika pasingadzokwi. Chero kupokana kunogona kubviswa se "dambudziko." Izvo zvakafanana zvakaitika pano? Handina chokwadi. Iyo poindi yanga isina kunyanya "kugadzirisa" dambudziko (isu tinoisa sysvinit kana isu takaisa systemd) sekuwana chibvumirano chekugadzirisa gakava (chimwe chinhu chinosanganisirwa chinosanganisira migove kubva kumapato akasiyana). Ehezve, vhoti (inozivikanwa GR "General Resolution") uye sarudzo yeTechnical Committee (iyo, uyezve, yakagadziriswa neiyo shoma), zvinoita kunge zvisiri zvishandiso zvakakodzera kugadzirisa kupokana kweiyi saizi.
Kune izvi zvese, nharaunda yakavhiringidzika nekuwedzera kwemhirizhonga uye nesarudzo yekupedzisira: forogo yeDebian. Nhamo yakaipa, haazi ese makakatanwa anogadziriswa zvakanaka.
Vazhinji havazopa damn iyo init inotakura Debian nayo uye vazhinji vanozofarira systemd, zvisinei, chikamu chemunharaunda hachiwirirane nechiyero zvachose. Nharo dzakanzwika nekushingaira uye kungoita kusvika pakuneta chaiko. Mukufamba kwese kwave neine kwandisingazive kuti chii mune nharaunda yekutamba nemoto, kudzamara zvanyanyisa.
Zvino izvo avo vasingade systemd vane nzvimbo yekushandira nekupa dzimwe nzira dzekunetseka kwavo, haingave nguva yekusiya vanhu vega uye vasingasimudze mweya yavo zvekare? Remekedza zvakasiyana. Usavhiringidze "kubatana" ne "kuenzanisa." Tinogona kusada kupatsanurwa, zvisinei, kubatana kunogoneka kuburikidza nekubvumirana kukuru, uye systemd haina kuunza.
Maitiro aive achifamba zvinhu, iyo dhi yepasi yaishaya chirongwa chekuda pasina systemd Kunetsana hakugone kugadziriswa, gamuchirai kuforogo.
Mazhinji sysadmins anovenga GNOME 3 uye SystemD. Ndosaka Debian akavasunga uye nekudaro mamwe madesktop enzvimbo anoenderana neSysVinit uye nyaya yagadziriswa. Paive nekunyunyuta paArch Linux nezve SystemD? Aihwa; MuFedora? Mune chimwe chinhu; Uye yaive sei muUbuntu? Haana kupa damn.
Chokwadi ndechokuti vanhu vashoma chaizvo ma sysadmins uye vamwe vanhu vese havazive kuti INIT chii uye vazhinji vacho vanongotaura nematombo. Ini handinzwisise nezve forogo iyi kana Debian akatomisa iyo uber-kutsamira kweSystemD mushure mehombe wave yekunyunyuta kubva kuma sysadmins.
Ndiri kuenda forogo forogo nekuti iro zita, Devuan, ini handidi.
Maforogo evose !!!
WTF - Ndeipi forogo ??? !!!
Yakagamuchirwa !!! lol
http://hackingthesystem4fun.blogspot.com.ar/2014/12/systemd-journald-centos-7-totally.html
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wakaonda haufanirwe kunyura mugirazi remvura. sunungura zvishoma pamwe nati-systemd crusada
Ini ndatova "akaonda", ini handisi dhongi iro, handingarishandise munharaunda imomo, asi zviri kure sezvandinoita ne rsyslog, asi usave "mbeveve" kuti usazive kuti daemon rekutema rakagadzirwa zvisizvo.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/2nv4hp/ask_lennart_poettering_a_question/