Pachiitiko ichi, ndakaona zvinonakidza kugovana newe chiitiko chine hunyanzvi che "hurumende yakavhurika" iri kuitika munyika mangu. Yakaputirwa nepfungwa yemahara software uye kutora mukana weinowanikwa macomputer zviwanikwa, boka revadiki vanogara muAutonomous Guta reBuenos Aires vakasarudza kugadzira iyo Network Bato (PR).
Iko kunyanya kweiri bato rezvematongerwo enyika ndekwekuti rakavaka chikuva chedigital, Democracy, kuitira kuti vese vagari veguta reBuenos Aires vakwanise kuita nharo nekuvhota mitemo muDare reparamende reguta. Ive nekuchenjerera, haisi chiitiko che "virtual" chete. Vamiriri vePR vakasarudzwa musarudzo dzekupedzisira vakabvuma kuvhota zvinoenderana nezvakabuda mumaonero zvakataurwa muDemocraciaOS pane chimwe nechimwe chezvirongwa zviri kutaurwa, izvo izvo vagari vanogona kuwana kwete chete zvinyorwa zvizere zvemapurojekiti asiwo kune "yakaderedzwa." "vhezheni, iri nyore kunzwisisa uye kugaya.
Muvhidhiyo pazasi vanoitsanangura kwazvo.
Chandinonyanya kufarira nezvechirongwa ichi ndechekuti zvinopesana nepfungwa yesirogani yakakurumbira mukati memazuva akaomarara aZvita 2001, umo Argentina yakapfuura neimwe yedambudziko rakakomba kwazvo munhoroondo yayo. Nemutsara iwoyo, vanhu vakagadzira kunyangadzwa kwavo ne "vezvematongerwo enyika." Icho chaive chinhu chakafanana chaizvo ne "indignados" kufamba kuSpain. MuPR, kune rimwe divi, ivo vakakwanisa kukunda uku kwekutanga kurambwa kwezvematongerwo enyika uye vakaishandura kuita chimwe chinhu chinovaka, icho chinokurudzira kutora chikamu kwezvematongerwo enyika pane kuchimisa. Havarwisane kuitira kuti "munhu wese abve" asi kuti "munhu wese apinde." Pfungwa inonakidza, handiti?
Kune rimwe divi, zvakakodzera kuti ubvunze: kana tasvika padanho ratakakwanisa kuisa manhamba ekubhanga kunzvimbo dzisina kugadzikana uye isu tichiisa chivimbo chedu mune zvemagetsi maturusi ekugadzirisa zvinhu zvepakati pehupenyu hwedu, wadii kuita zvakafanana ne zvemutemo gakava uye bvumidza kuti iwo iwo maturusi akafanana anoshanda kudzikisira mutambo wezvematongerwo enyika. Uye chinotonyanya kufadza, nei zviri kuti hapana munhu akafunga izvi zvisati zvaitika? Zvingave here kuti pane kufarira kushoma kubva kune vezvematongerwo enyika ivo kana kwenzvimbo dzesimba idzo vanhu vanonyatso batanidzwa mune zvematongerwo enyika?
Uku zvakare "kuenda kupfuura" vhoti yemagetsi irikutoitwa munyika dzinoverengeka. Izvi ndezve kunyatso demokrasi sarudzo uye gakava repamutemo, iro richiri mhepo yemhepo nyowani mukati medambudziko rakakura rekumiririrwa kuri kuitwa neruzhinji rwevamiriri vema demokrasi, nenzira dzakasiyana.
Kuti ndipedze, ndinofunga zvakakosha kutaura kuti DemocraciaOS parizvino iri mune bvunzo vhezheni kuti vanhu vagone kuziva zano. Kubva musi wa10 / 12/2013 unotevera, vamiriri vakasarudzwa kubva kuRed Party vachatora chinzvimbo chavo mudare reparamende reBuenos Aires.Kubva ipapo zvichienda mberi, zvese zvinovhoterwa pawebhusaiti izvi zvine chekuita nedare reparamende, nekuti iyo PR ichavhota zvinoenderana nezvakabuda mumavhoti pawebhusaiti. Neichi chikonzero, vashandisi vasina kusimbisa kuzivikanwa kwavo havazokwanise kuenderera vachishandisa webhusaiti (sezvavari kuita kusvika zvino). Kuzivikanwa kwehunyanzvi kuchave kumeso-kumeso uye zvese kuzivikanwa kwemushandisi (kuburikidza neDNI) uye nhengo yavo mumusangano wesarudzo weAutonomous Guta reBuenos Aires ichasimbiswa kuona imwe "hukomba" mukuvhota.
Musarudzo dzekupedzisira, PR yakawana mavhoti mazana maviri nemakumi matatu nemakumi matatu neshanu (21.368% yerejista) Tichifunga kuti ino inguva yekutanga kutora chikamu musarudzo, hachisi chimiro chisina basa, handiti?
Ini ndinotenda kuti maitiro akadaro, sekufunga kweNetwork Party, angave ari kutyora mumiriri wezvematongerwo enyika.
Ndakavhota uye ndine vamiririri vangu, vanodzivirira mafungiro angu, mumuviri unoenderana, uye ndiani achavhota sezvandinotarisira (dai ndaiziva kusarudza zvakanaka) uyezve ndine mukana wekuvhota kusarudza imwezve vhoti, yeimwe zvakawanda zvemutemo ...
ohhhh zvingani zvingangodaro. vhota ka1 nguva yega yega x makore. ivo vanoita zvavanoda uye isu tinoita nemaoko edu akayambuka. Bvuma iyi mutemo inotora makore uye munyika zhinji haina kushanda
Izvi zvakanaka chaizvo ..
Uye ndicho chinhu chechinhu icho Paraguay (Ciudad del Este) inofanirwa kutevedzera ..
Kana zvisiri? Zvirinani sedemocracy "kuyedza" ini ndinoiona ichinakidza kwazvo ...
Kumbundirana! Paul.
Mubvunzo ndouyu ... vanhu ava vanobva kuruboshwe xd?
Vakasununguka. Izvo zvakafanana neanarchist asi yakawanda mwenje.
Uine kana usina kutapira? Ha ha ..
Nekutapira. Zvinotapira zveruzhinji.
Zvakarurama sei!
Eeheh ipapo havasi vangu, ndinoda bato rakafanana, zvakatonyanya kune anochengetedza / echinyakare tint xd
Falanginux, yakakura uye 100% yemahara distro.
kwete ndatenda, iyo haisi Conservatism xd, fascism ahahah
Zvakanaka, inochengetedza uye yechinyakare kupfuura fascism pachayo hapana xD
Anarchist maLibertarians kana maRiberal Libertarians? nekuti kuSpain kune Liberal Party uye kuUS, kana ndisina kukanganisa, Libertarian Party, ayo ari eanarcho-capitalist maitiro, asiri kumashure zvakanyanya mumashure ezve neoliberalism (munoziva, Reagan, Thatcher , Bush…).
Chaizvoizvo, iwo mubvunzo unonetsa kupindura. Chii chinoitika kana avo vanotora chikamu vakavhotera chimwe chinhu chinopesana neicho munhu wePR anogara pabhenji anofunga kana kutenda? Vhota zvakafanana zvinobuda muDemocraciaOS?
Huye, bhanga iri mumiriri wevamwe vanhu vazhinji, anofanirwa kuvhotera izvo zvakabuda muDemocraciaOS, achigona kuzvivhota pachikuva. Ndiyo democracy.
Ndozvazviri. Mukutaura, inofanira kunge yakadai. Mumiriri wePR anofanirwa kutora mhando ye "mhiko" mupfungwa iyoyo.
Ini ndiri kubatanidzwa nepirate pati (inovhara mimwe minda kupfuura yepati network). Saizvozvo, iyo PPA yeArgentina inotora Red Party.
http://partidopirata.com.ar/2012/05/17/dos-punto-siri-16-de-mayo-el-partido-pirata-y-el-poder-de-la-red-en-el-programa-de-radio-basta-de-todo/
iyo PPAr ine misiyano yakawanda pane kusangana nePdR, uye zviri pachena kuti zvinhu zvakasiyana zvachose. Chekutanga pane zvese Democracy OS ndeyemidziyo software uye ivo vari kuzoda kuti iwe unyore.
MuPPAr mune
[taz]http://taz.partidopirata.com.ar/afiliate/afiliaciones)
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Yakanaka, asi muPeru, zvematongerwo enyika zvakanyanyisa kumunhu wezvematongerwo enyika anotanga kuora nyore.
Zvakadaro, ini ndinotsigira chikumbiro.
Ha ha! Mune dzimwe nyika dzese isu tanyanya kufanana, musazvitenda.
Zvakaenzana, chiitiko chinonakidza.
Kumbundirana! Paul.
Ndinoona ichifadza asi isiri nyowani, kubvunzana kwakakurumbira kwave chinhu chakavepo mune dzakawanda dhemokrasi pasirese kwenguva yakareba. Zvisinei, kushandisa ruzivo rwehunyanzvi kusimudzira zvinorumbidzwa.
Iwo mapoinzi anoita kuti ndive anonyanya kufarira.
-Kuvimbika kweiyo data kunovimbiswa sei, kuchidzivirira kubva mukushandiswa nevechitatu mapato.
-Izvi zvinoreva kuti chiyero chakadai chekuvavota chinogona kuve nacho.
-Iyo yakavanzika yevhoti.
Kuno kuSpain ndiko http://partidox.org/
Haasati aita nharo, regai tione zvinoitika ...
Ini handidi zvematongerwo enyika pamusoro peinternet kana software, isu tese tinoziva kuti izvi zvinogoneka uye zvinoshandiswa, tisingatauri kuti havazi vese vane mukana kune maturusi aya, ayo anotyora kodzero dzevanhu.
Zvakanaka, chaizvo… ingori chishandiso chimwe chete. Hapana munhu anomanikidza vanhu kuti vashandise. Nechikonzero ichocho, hapana nzira inokanganisa kodzero dzevanhu chero munhu ... mumaonero angu ekuzvininipisa.
Muno muMexico (uko kunotonga zvakaipa), iri kungotanga kumuka, nekuti havazi vese vane mukana weinternet uye masocial network. Asi nekutenda ku # yosoy132 kufamba tinogona kutaura kuti mwenje diki weshanduko unogona kunge uchibika zvishoma nezvishoma.
Zvakaipa zvinotonga kwese kwese, vanhu vanoswededzwa pasimba vakafanana kwese kwese.
Muno muMexico, neInternet kana isina Internet, mavhoti ese ndeechiumbwe 😉
Zvimwe zvechokwadi hazvigoneke.
Televisa, Televisa Kwese Kwese.
Nguva dzose, Televisa iri kunamatira mhino dzayo.
Izvo zvandaifunga. Muzukuru wangu anogara kuGuernica haashandise internet nekombuta. Haana smartphone. Tinozvibatanidza sei?
Che, iyo "rega munhu wese aende" yanga isiri "sekungotaura iwe"; Mupfungwa yekuti panguva iyoyo "vanhu" vakanyanya kuita zvematongerwo enyika, nzvimbo zhinji dzekupokana, kuchinjana, magungano akamuka ... ichi chine chikamu chakati, chimwe ndechekuti "rega munhu wese aende" zvakare vakatsamwisa, nekuti vakabata tikiti (vasina bhenji) kune vamwe vasina kubata chero chinhu.
Nezve izvi ... mmm, MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCHA VANHU vanoshaya internet, havana iyo, havagone kuibhadhara, uye MUUUUUUUUUUUU VAKAWANDA veavo vasina kana ruzivo nezve chero chinhu, KUNE Rumwe RUOKO, rwaizove zvivakwa zvinonyatsoshanda zvemarekodhi, kuitira kuti hunyengeri ... Uye vazhinji, kunyangwe vakaverenga mitemo, havazoinzwisise zvachose ...
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Warevesa nezve "rega munhu wese aende." Panguva iyoyo, vanhu vazhinji vakatanga kutora chikamu, kunyangwe mushure meizvozvo zvese zvakashaya basa.
Nezve kushomeka kweinternet… ehe, ichokwadi… hapana munhu ari kuti izvi zvinofanirwa kuve zvakajairwa kune wese munhu. Iyo imwe imwe sarudzo, inowanikwa. Zvakare, nzanga dzinofanirwa kunge dzichiedza kuyedza kudzikisa dhijitari iyi, handiti?
Nezve kugona uye zvimwe zvese. Ini ndichaita ipfupi iwe, unofambisa twine kuburikidza nepamhepo. Kana iwe uchivimba komputa uye webhu izvo, ini handioni kuti nei usingakwanise kuzviitira zvimwe zvese zvimwe. 🙂
Kumbundirana! Paul.
Chimwe chinhu, neruremekedzo rwese rwunokodzera, zvinoita sekunge ini kutaura kwako kwakaputirwa nerudzi rwekusatenda uye kuriisa pasi: ngatiregei kuita chinhu nekuti vanhu havana internet, ngatiregei kuita chero chinhu nekuti chikamu chedzidzo chevanhu chakashata zvekuti havaendi kunonzwisisa chero chinhu, nezvimwe.
Saka hapana kwatinoenda ... haufunge?
Saizvozvo, hapana munhu anoti iyi ndiyo mhinduro kumatambudziko ese ... chiitiko chinonakidza, hapana chimwezve.
Kumbundirana! Paul.
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Mhoroi, chokwadi ndechekuti ini handioni tarisiro mune yangu kutaura. Ndirini pandakati ngatiregei kuita chinhu? Zviri nyore, zvandakataura ndezvekuti internet hairatidzike sediki nzira dzakanakisa dze "kusimudzira democracy", kubva pasocial network kuenda kuNSA (kana chero chimwe chirevo, kukundikana icho) humbowo hweizvi.
Zvandakaenzanisira nemashoko angu i "mufananidzo chaiwo." Kuti uite chimwe chinhu, uyezve uine zita remadunhurirwa rekuti "kugadzirisa demokarasi" unofanirwa kuva nenheyo iyo neimwe nzira inosanganisira DEMOKRASI (yezvese), ndiko kuti zvinoreva kuti ZVINOSANGANISIRA MUNHU WOSE kana kuti ingangova kunyepa?
Kune zvakare chimwe chinhu chakakosha chandisingazive kuti chaizosimudzwa sei. Maonero ekuona evamwe?
Chero zvazvingaitika, ngatiitei zvese asi kwete kuburikidza neicho chaihwo kufamba. Asi ini zvakare ndinokurudzira mapato aya kuti pachinzvimbo chekugadzira chikuva chitsva chose, ivo vatore "fanika" yeFacebook. Uye ini ndinodzokorora gakava?
Ndinokutendai!
Uye nei kutora chikamu kuchisungirwa? Mune maonero angu, kusatora chikamu chisarudzo chezvematongerwo enyika, kutaura zvazviri, kuti zvinhu "zvinosungirwa" KANA kuri kutyora rusununguko mumwe nemumwe wevanhu uye izvo pachazvo , haina demokrasi ...
Iyo poindi ndeyekuti mumadokero anomiririra mademokrasi isu hatina kana mukana wekutora chikamu mumakakatanwa chaiwo pamusoro pemutemo. Democracy inopera muparamende. Avo vedu vari kunze havapende chero chinhu.
Izvo zvinoratidzika kwandiri seyero yakakodzera kana ikaitwa. Nenzira iyi demokrasi inomiririra. Ndingati kunyange zvinobudirira. Uye kwete chete kuvhotera zvimwe zvinhu asi zvakawanda zvimwewo. Hapana mubvunzo kuti hupenyu hwuri kuenda kunzvimbo dzinowedzera dzemakomputa uye mhedzisiro yacho ichaonekwa muzvizvarwa zvinotevera. Funga kuti mune zvimwe zvikoro vana vanodzidza vasina mabhuku. Vanopinda mukirasi nemapiritsi avanobata zvirinani kupfuura vadzidzisi vavo.
Zvakanaka: Pfungwa yepuratifomu yevagari kutora chikamu inonakidza, kunyanya kufadza!
Nemapini: Inofanira kuyeukwa kuti pane nguva apo yakanakisa isiri iyo irwo ruzhinji inoda uye iyi sarudzo - inofungidzirwa uye zvinoenderana nezvandinodudzira kubva kuchinyorwa - zvaizobviswa kubva kuquation neiyi nzira).
Ndizvo zvakaita Ugo. Ndinobvumirana nemashoko ako.
Nekudaro, iyo yazvino inomiririra system yatove inoreva "simba remazhinji." Kana Bato A ikakunda, inoisa chinzvimbo chayo kudzamara yawana makuru akakosha. Mune mamwe mazwi, kushandiswa kwemhando idzi dzemapuratifomu - DemocraciaOS maitiro - hazviite kuti zviwedzere. Zvakawanda zvinoramba zvichikunda, senge mune yazvino mamiririri system
Zvaita kujekeswa uku, kucherechedzwa kwacho kunoita kunge kwakarurama kwandiri. Kuda kwevashoma kunogona kudzivirirwa sei? Iyo nharo refu kwazvo, asi zvakare inonakidza.
Kwazisai, Pablo
"Kana bato A ikakunda, inomanikidza chinzvimbo chayo kudzamara yawana makuru akakosha", saka, kana paine hutongi hwegutsaruzhinji hunonzwisiswa nepfungwa yakanaka yeshoko, mamiriro ezvinhu HAAZVIMiriri kuremekedza kodzero dzevamwe vashoma. . Mukufunga kwangu, ichi chirevo chiri padyo nenzira iyo yazvino Swiss system inoshanda, uko chero shanduko mumutemo ingangoerekana yareva kubvunzana-rudzi rwekubvunzurudza, uko pano kwaizofambiswa nenzira ye otomatiki. Chero zvazvingaitika, zvinoita senge yakanaka sarudzo uye ini ndinobvumirana nezvaunoisa mune imwe komoti iyo "isu hatigone kana kudzika" ...
Ndizvozvo, Charlie. Ndinobvumirana mune zvese zvaunotaura. Zvimwe ndanga ndisingazive matauriro andinoita nemazvo, asi ini ndinofunga zvakafanana newe.
Pfungwa yepakati yekuti vese vagari vanotora chikamu pakusarudza mutemo mutsva, semuenzaniso, yakanaka kwazvo. Izvi zvinofanirwa kugara zvichiitwa, nekuti kunyangwe isu tichivhotera vamiririri vedu, vanogona kunge vaine maonero akasiyana kubva kune avo vavanomiririra mune zvimwe zvinhu.
Asi iwe unofanirwa kuongorora mamiriro acho ezvinhu mushe kuti pasave nekuwedzeredza kana kudzivirira kubiridzira nemamwe matambudziko. Asi pasina kupokana ipfungwa yakanaka kune mamwe mapato kuti afungewo.
Ndizvozvo chaizvo ... zvirinani zvaiita kunge chiitiko chekutarisa.
Pfungwa yacho pachayo inondifadza, asi inondipa fungidziro yekuti ichi chinofanirwa kuve poindi imwe chete yemapato ese kukwidza, asi kwete chimwe chinhu chiri pakati pemutambo
Iyo ipfungwa yakanakisa, uye muchokwadi tekinoroji ini yandinotenda yakagadzirirwa kupfura hutongi uye kusimbisa vanhu.
Nyaya iripo ndeyekuti zvikumbiro zvakatangwa nevanhu ava hazvinongedze shanduko yezveupfumi kana zvemagariro enyika ...
Uye zvine musoro nekuti mazano avo pane chidimbu chekuwedzera kune rimwe bato
Zvinoita sekunge ikozvino bato rakanzi "Dzidzo Bato" rakabuda ndokutaura chete nezvekuvandudza dzidzo ... pasina chimwe chinhu.
Ngatitauriraneiwo nezvenyaya yekuti hapana mukana weinternet munyika yese ... kana makomputa ... kune vamwe vanhu vasina magetsi. Ndokusaka pane peji iwe uchiona kuti izvo zvirevo zvine hunhu chaihwo hwemubatanidzwa
Ini ndinogovana zvizere chinzvimbo chako.
Mhinduro yako inonakidza kwazvo. Ndinobvumirana.
Kunze kweizvi chirongwa chinoshaikwa. Zvimwe chisarudzo chemaune nekuti ivo vanoda kusanganisa wese munhu, zvisinei neyavo "mafungiro enhengo", ini handizive. Ini ndinowana fungidziro yekuti vanoda kuratidza kuti chishandiso ichi chinogona kushandiswa kwese kwese, zvisinei nechero bato. Mupfungwa iyoyo, pamwe ndosaka vasina "kudzikisira mutsara wepfungwa" kana vasina "chirongwa."
Zvisinei, zvinondiitira ruzha senge iwe. Ini ndinofunga kuti pane imwe nguva chinzvimbo ichi chinopokana, kunyangwe ichifadza kwazvo.
Kumbundira kukuru! Paul.
Zvinotaridza senge zano rakaipa kwandiri, yakananga demokrasi inorambidzwa. Dambudziko nderekuti kana munhu wese achigona kuvhota, tichava nedambudziko rekuti ruzhinji runogara richikunda, semuenzaniso: kana vese vateveri nemuromo avo vari vazhinji muArgentina vakavhota kuti vanogara vachihwina mukwikwidzi, zvingave zvisina kunaka kune vamwe . ndiyo njodzi huru yedemokrasi inokurudzirwa nehurongwa uhu.
Chinokosha chiri mudzidzo uye hunhu hwakaiswa muhukuru hwevanhu, inova nzira inononoka asi ini ndinofunga ndiyo nzira yakanakisa yekuzviwana.
Mhoro Daniel ... "iyo ngozi" yatovapo. Haisi yakasununguka mukutonga kwakasununguka, sezvaunofunga, asi pachena uye nyore democracy. Mupfungwa iyo, yanhasi inomiririra democracy ine "njodzi" imwe cheteyo. Vakanga vari ivo "madzibaba ekutanga" eUnited States avo vainyanya kunetseka nezve "hudzvanyiriri hwevakuru" pavakatanga kushandisa demokarasi inomiririra munyika yavo senzira yehurumende.
Kumbundira kukuru! Paul.