I write this post to share with you a small reflection (and my criteria) on some details that surround these two magnificent distributions, motivated perhaps by my frustration of not being able to test either of them correctly in a virtual machine.
### Elementary OS Freya
I think, from my experience and my point of view, that with the distributions based on ** Ubuntu ** (and Ubuntu itself), something curious is happening: the releases are happening without pain and without glory.
As in the case of ** ElementaryOS Freya **, which given the time it took to release another stable version, is so that on the WWW, at least in the GNU / Linux world there would be a little more noise. But it has not been that way. While some of the sites I frequent have posted on the subject, few * if not any * have highlighted interesting things in this new version.
And I don't know about you, but at least for some time ** Elementary ** has become boring for me. Not to mention, that maybe all the scandal that was armed with the issue of payments and the position of its creator, maybe it had something to do with it.
The point is, I don't like talking without testing, so I set out to install eOS on a virtual machine to see what was new. First of all, in ** Virtualbox **, I couldn't get a resolution higher than ** 640 × 480 ** by default. In fact, I did not have the option to choose another resolution, neither more nor less. With virt-manager (using qemu-kvm) I had a bit more luck in the installation, getting a much higher resolution. Once installed I could choose between several resolutions, some very high, but never mine, which is 1366 × 768.
From the moment we access the installer, we realize something: it is the same as the first versions, at least in terms of appearance. But the thing does not stop at the appearance, which can still be a debatable issue depending on the tastes of each person, the installer is quite slow and as if it were not enough, somewhat useless. Trying to enlarge the window to see the details of the installation (in case some error occurs), it is impossible. You don't even have the option to Cancel the operation.
I say, if ** Daniel Foré ** wants me to pay for using his distro, against, at least he cares about those little details that in the end at least matter to me. And I'm not saying that everything in Elementary is bad, because although I think its applications are too austere, that is the philosophy that has always been followed with this distribution, therefore, I do not criticize it.
If you are one of those who use an OS for very basic things, eOS is great for you, if not, look the other way because you may spend a little more work. And as a last point I want to mention that one of the * most relevant * novelties of this version are the interactive notifications, which although they are very good, if I have to choose, I'll stick with the GNOME ones.
### Previous 2015.04
On the other hand we have ** Antergos **, my main distribution for some time, which has released a new version of its ISO with GNOME 3.16 and many visual changes in its installer. Let's see a before and after:
Do not believe for a minute that because I am my favorite I am not going to comment on some negative points, because in reality there are, for me and many people in my situation.
And is that ** Antergos ** every day becomes more dependent on the Internet. In its version 2015.01 we could install from the LiveCD in a virtual machine or without Internet access, having (as in my case), the repositories locally. In this new version, if Antergos detects that you do not have Internet, there is no way to install it, at least not easily.
To all these, the guys from ** Antergos ** have released some alternative ISO images for those with a slow connection, which weigh about 400 Mb approximately, to install things from the Internet, and I wonder, do they have any idea what? what are they doing? because this is very paradoxical to me.
I think that if a user has a very slow connection, the most logical thing would be for the ISO to already have all the necessary applications, or their Desktop Environments, so that the user does not have to download packages from the Internet. Sure, the problem would be how to get the ISO, but once you have it you don't worry about the rest.
The point is, I was left wanting to try the new installer. And I take the opportunity to strain another comment in relation to this. Now Calamares has become very popular, the new installer that we can see in KaOS for example that supposedly has many advantages. However, of all the installers I have tried, it is precisely ** Cnchi **, the one from Antergos, one of the simplest (even useful) and beautiful. Wouldn't it be better to adopt this project and introduce it to all the good that Calamares supposedly has?
But nothing, ignore me ...
I believe Elementary OS could exist simply as a desktop environment. Previously I have not used it much because I was frozen before login randomly (like all distros with systemd except debian and its derivatives, I don't know why), and I deleted it. The thing about the internet connection is so modern and cool that it even seems primitive to me.
Well, it has happened to me and it has nothing to do with systemd, it is the lightdm problem, you just have to right click and reload and solved. 🙂
When it happened to me, in any distribution, there was no other option but to switch off with the button. I think that systemd has a lot to do with it, because it started happening to me in Manjaro when they started using it. When the openrc version came out I populated it and had no problem. Also, it doesn't happen to me on Slackware, Gentoo, PCLimux and FreeBSD. In all the others (except Debian and derivatives -something will do-) it freezes me, and neither right button nor console mode nor anything.
If I am going to install Arch I prefer to install Arch from scratch. Manjaro, for example, is very good for a newbie, but the fact that they test what has already been tested in Arch does not convince me, also I do not see anything that I cannot obtain with a normal Arch Linux installation. Even some of the desks they offer seem a bit stuffy to me.
Something similar happens to me with Antergos, the idea seems a little better to me, because it uses Arch's repositories plus one of its own, I also like the design, it does not feel very loaded and has congruence, I also like the user input screen that They put it, it is very well achieved. Now, what I don't like is precisely what you name, you have to download everything from the internet and the installer has errors, which means that of the two times I tried to install it, it both stuck and threw me an error.
It seems to me that if you are a newbie or you don't want to break your coconut a lot, Manjaro can go very well, in fact this was one of the first distros I tried and I loved it at the time, I was fascinated by it. Antergos out there can also work, but it is a younger project and I did not use it long enough to verify that it works well and now that I have tried it again the installer did not work, so I can not say much about this.
Regarding Elementary, Pantheon, the desktop of this project, it seems to me that it has good things, but there is not much to look at for me. As you say, if you like minimalism and Mac style, go ahead, otherwise there are other projects available that offer more.
In fact, if I had to name some advantages of elementary, I would say that it is its design more than anything else, it is very well achieved and, although it has shortcomings, there are things that you will not see elsewhere. And I had also liked the way of changing desktops in Luna, that's why I was disappointed to see that they changed it in Freya.
From my humble and neophyte point of view, Elementary gave me video problems and previously it crashes in the download of packages in addition to sometimes sending an error, both new versions made me temporarily return to windows 8
What a coincidence, I installed elementary os freya (before I had used Luna without problems) and I also had problems with the video, so I had to uninstall it. Previously I have not tried it.
The problems with downloading from the repositories are often solved by doing:
1.- Restarting the internet connection.
2.- Pointing to another repository that is fast.
The times that I have had problems with the repository I apply these two things and everything is fine.
mmmmrrrr: ,,,
1. Could someone explain to me the aesthetic / functional reason why eOS (and once OSX) doesn't have a right click / context menu on the desktop?
2. How about an article on how to back up a repository to have it handy? makes me curious every time they mention it - or at least a quick explanation
It is because the desktop is not enabled, you can do it with Gnome Tweak Tool
In OSX it is also available after enabling it, by default right click used to be cmd key + left click.
I tried 15 days ago to see how, but after 3 days I had to uninstall because I can't hold so many locks, the system is very, very unstable and constantly freezes, although it is very fast, it is useless if at any time you leave it lying and you have to restart the hard way although it must be said that the installer worked perfect.
A couple of days ago a new iso came out and it was even worse because in the first attempt I activated several options that it offers to install more software and after 3 hours of downloading the installer failed and could not continue, then in the second attempt it did not check These options and the download took 20 minutes but I did not install the grub so in my particular experience, it was a total disaster.
As for Elementary, the distro is very beautiful but nowadays all the main distros and the different desktop environments are, also the system sometimes flickers and the applications that do not come de facto do not integrate well with the system or are erratic, apart from that there are more clicks to do the same I think the environment is impractical to use it.
Unfortunately the installer of anteros is like the ass, it will be nice and everything, but it has given me multiple errors with the stable versions such as the test images
1.- After downloading packages for about 2 hours at the end it throws an error that it cannot download some packages or simply that it cannot continue
2.- One of the times it worked (no idea why), when trying to start the session, the user who created during the installation did not have a home folder, or anything so I deleted the user by hand and added it again so that create everything k corresponds ...
if you are looking for simplicity you should correct those serious errors
Elementary should learn from the defunct PearOS, a magnificent distro that aimed very high, not for pleasure they put it in their sights. Mac style is the future to follow, I think. As for other options in the Unix world you have Pcbsd, a configuration distro based on FreeBsd, which I am slowly entering as I did with Linux. Pcbsd has the best installer I've seen so far, graphic, few questions, fast and the profile can be saved. Pcbsd (Freebsd) features, Rolling Release, ZFS file system, application update through ports if you like, installation within Jail to test rogue applications. Also, I run Pcbsd on a modest laptop, on which I also have Lubuntu and others. It's hard for me to adapt but it's worth it, I recommend it. Ah, I don't have Windows on my laptop which is a real treat. This is not a troll comment, I just write what I feel now. Cheers,
I don't know, I saw PCBSD very slow and quite loaded, they should improve performance. I think Ghost BSD offers something similar, but without so many changes. Like installing direct freebsd is always better.
Anyway, for now I prefer linux, it would be nice if freebsd grew, but it lacks for me.
The slowness I sense that they are driver problems, Linux has more career in this. In the laptop that I use, two years ago I didn't even load the installer, today, things are different; even though the ZFS file system needs some good iron. I'm happy to start using it, although the main distro at the moment is Lubuntu. Cheers,
You're right, first use Elementary to be able to criticize it, you got hooked on the issue of donations and your "reflection" was not fair to me. By the way, it is not a distribution for basic tasks, rather they do not know how to get the most out of it.
I have used Elementary Luna (which has been almost the same as Freya) enough to give a criterion with some basis. Anyway, since you seem to use it quite a bit, could you make a better case for this?
I hope you clarify me, because all its tools are ultra-basic: The file manager, the calendar, the mail client, in short, all of them. By the way, I was not hooked on the payment issue, I am not even interested in it because I do not use that distribution and if I used it, maybe I would pay for it, but even if I wanted to, I can not, so the $ 0 is guaranteed with me.
Maybe you are right that some applications do not give the width, but you have no idea in the distribution so powerful that it can be converted, if for example, you replace the file manager by nautilus or nemo among others, but it is fair to judge a whole desktop environment (which is so stable, flexible, light but at the same time robust) for some applications so simple that it comes by default.
But if we started to replace applications, it would no longer be ElementaryOS, it would be another Ubuntu, right?
Previously I like it very much, only for 2 reasons I have not been able to occupy it 100% 1.- Because of my work in the 3d field I need the system not to "break" (since my fear is that with the passage of time it will become unstable, that's why I use linuxmint in its lts versions and I've never had problems, I've used manjaro and it was a problem that I had) another point although I am fascinated by gnome3, for the same reason I use kde to disable composition and effects ( that previously you can install the environment you like but in previously I prefer gnome).
With Elementary I was very disappointed because if it looks very nice and the truth is that I feel that Ubuntu would learn a lot from elementary, unfortunately in use it made me very unstable) not to mention that I cannot deactivate the effects) in the end it only stays in a nice distro.
I really agree with what elav mentions in the article.
In the end, what remains is a very nice distro (for those who like it, which is not my case) that does not allow you to modify anything (without resorting to third-party tweaks), probably because its creators believe with better criteria for the aesthetics that users. For me you can put your good taste where they receive donations.
I think that by following the apple philosophy and not spoiling the beauty of the system.
I have tried both ... recently Antergos, and the truth is that it seems exceptional. I at least have not had any problems with ANYTHING. Regarding Elementary, it happens to me that some packages do not install well or give problems, so before Elementary I choose Ubuntu, without hesitation.
In addition, the issue of payments got through to me, I was impressed with the way in which "donate" was "suggested".
For the rest, very happy with Antergos, and it is the first Rolling Release distribution that I use and for now it has not been broken hehehehe.
I like Elementary aesthetically but it doesn't convince me as a system, besides that the packaging is ancient. If it weren't because I managed to install Yosemite on my PC, out of curiosity, maybe I would give it a try.
As for Antergos ... I imagine it is fine for those who want a quick installation, but personally I think that installing and configuring Arch does not take that long if you know what you are doing. I had to reinstall last week and in a couple of hours I had it tuned to 100%, installing from scratch.
At least with the moon I was delighted but Freya was problem after problem ... first, I couldn't put the time format in AM / PM, I communicated it on the launchpad and after several hours they sent an update that corrected it but after this it was I damaged the login screen and the background screen became dark and the top menu unusable. Conclusion: Freya did not last me 10 hours installed on my machine 😛
I'm about to finish optimizing and configuring a freshly installed Antergos and, honestly, I'm quitting Fedora. The Numix icon pack seemed strange to me at first, but once you get used to it, it is very simple, elegant and above all pleasing to the eye. It's going very fast, not a problem, and I also have the latest version of GNOME (which in Fedora would have to wait until May).
Years ago I installed Arch from scratch on several occasions, but what do you want me to tell you, the experience of Antergos surpasses it. Yes, Arch is very configurable, but Antergos leaves it all the way I want it (with a couple of touches from me, but that's it). I am delighted. Come on, so delighted that I will surely write an article with my xDDD configuration.
About elementaryOS ... I installed 0.2 to three people last year and yes, it is nice, but it does not seem at all a complete and usable desktop for day to day. After a month or two the three people called me Unity and LXDE when they asked me about "other designs". I admit that I am very critical of the "MAC style" (application bar at the bottom of the screen that shows when you mouse over the edge, ags x_x), but leaving that aside, if you want something light LXDE and XFCE are more than enough. And with a couple of tweaks you can leave them beautiful. If you want something mega-complete and HD, we have GNOME, KDE and others out there like Cinnamon (which is lightweight too). Honestly, elementaryOS has mounted an unprecedented hype and with this 0.3 it has made it clear that it was not so bad.
It is a nice and functional distro but basic and limited to its supported applications and it still lacks the robustness and reliability that the main distros (debian, redhat, suse, etc) or derivatives like * buntu have.
That means that if you want to install something "extra" like; (netflix-desktop, playonlinux * applications, vmware, * wine and office suites, and design *, WPSOffice, a long etc.) You must cross your fingers hoping that they work, however these "extras" work safely in the others Distros mentioned.
my mother how much distro-hopping, do you get tired of switching and changing distro? it seems the eternal return of the same. Today a distro is great, tomorrow it is not and I change to another ... really, it is for psychological study. This I say without offending eh ..
First, it is good for the entire Free Software community to experiment and test, if you see the comments that is it, there are very few if not anyone who changes and makes crazy jumps, there is always a "trust" distro before thinking to definitely change.
And frankly speaking, it is true that eOS was expected to be a great substitute for other distros, and it surprised everyone because with its attitude it seemed to scream;
"I will have an elegant and cool interface similar to OSX but I will do things better and bring a better user experience". - (regrettable it was not like that) -.
I shoot it, although I will see soon, Freebsd does not convince me better I use Gentoo xD
Man if I have not changed distro, I use Antergos .. and eOS because I tried to test it in a VM.
I don't want to say too much about Elementary because paying for the nose, without knowing what they offer and without any obligation on their part, I felt terrible. The moon version seemed very nice to me, although left half (without minimize button, etc ...), that you fix it yourself and I did not find it as usable as it may seem.
I have the Freyra version downloaded although I have not installed it. I'll install it to see how it is but it won't last long, because I use xfce and mate on xubuntu and debian ..
Anyway, I see it more as a nice desktop environment and little else.
Previously I have it pending, but I am interested in trying it because I have not tried anything from arch.
“From the start, in Virtualbox, I couldn't get a resolution higher than 640x480 by default. »
Hayi explains that he did not install the distros on his PC but on Virtualbox to test it
Hahahaha, leave the distro-hoppers alone in my case, I have used Debian and Gentoo / Funtoo, and I left Debian for the trouble with systemd, right now I am on Funtoo and I am most happy.
Previously I honestly have not tried it. So I don't think I can comment on this distro. However, I know Elementary OS quite well.
Since it was my main distro for several months. Until one day, with nothing to do, I decided to install Chakra Linux. And my world changed forever ... When I found myself with a very complete, powerful and fast KDE desktop.
Personally, I consider eOS to be a stable and beautiful distro. Well, in the time that I used it I never had a major error and the appearance always seems quite beautiful.
Although be careful here, calling something beautiful is subjective. Well, it depends on the opinion of a particular person.
In my case I also consider the KDE and Gnome desktop nice (which I don't use by the way). But if they make me choose, I'm sure I'm going for KDE. Well, at the end of the day, it is the desktop with which I am most familiar.
To such an extent that now that I have returned to KDE. I see that I have so many options to modify my desktop. I think the only limit is in how much dedication I want to give to the customization of my desktop.
Of course, everyone is free to use the distro that they see fit. But if someone chooses to use Elementary OS. I hope you can find more than just a pretty look (I say this without offending anyone). Well, in the end, it's about finding a desk that you feel comfortable with and that offers all the tools you need for your daily work.
In relation to the last paragraph. In search of a desk and distribution where I felt comfortable. Finally jump from Chakra Linux to Linux Mint with KDE. Well, in my work, I use a mix of QT and GTK tools. So you need a distro that my will allow you to install and use both without any complications.
But hey, that's how it is. Ultimately, it's about testing and testing. Until you find a GNU / Linux distribution and a desktop where you really feel comfortable.
Friend @elav happened with EOS, the mere fact of being based on Ubuntu already makes me lazy, one more and they go… Antergos I am going to try it, although I don't think I can get out of Fedora, which at this point F21 Gnome works very well .
By the way, who said Elementary can't be customized too ?? if they just look at the page when they enter, you can "customize" how much you're going to pay! —————————————
I do not understand the above, although it would be good if they include the desktop and the "basics", that the rest of the things that you choose are downloaded, having 3mb of internet takes a little more than 2 hours to install it and eOS does not seem to me It has a very specific purpose, it is not a bad distro (although personally I had some problems with it, they were not serious things) but it does not offer more than a nice desktop, something that can be done without having to maintain a complete distro
Reading is very tiring, as many users complain about having to pay (or not, because it is not mandatory) for Elementary OS.
In truth, it is normal that after a good job, its creators decide that they deserve a reward for their work. Each one, freely, decides if Elementary will be useful to them, and if it is not, then it is not paid and that's it.
Years pass, and we continue with the same old themes, Linux is confused with free, without understanding that freedom resides in that it is free.
I have tried Elementary OS, and it is a good OS, and especially for the great masses. Not everyone has the knowledge or patience to learn a new OS. They are too used to Windows or Mac, where everything or almost everything works almost intuitively. I don't like this philosophy, I prefer people to learn, but life is like that, the vast majority want to install and use, and Elementary offers an environment where you don't get distracted setting things up.
Regarding Antergos, it is a great distribution. It makes easy what is not so easy in Arch. It is intended for a group of users, similar to those of Elementary, with a philosophy of install and use, without complications.
Sometimes we judge very quickly, without appreciating all the effort behind it. And luckily, in Linux, if something doesn't convince us, there are more options to choose from, but they are all valid.
«Reading is very tiring, as many users complain about having to pay (or not, because it is not mandatory) for Elementary OS.
Really, it is normal that after a good job, its creators decide that they deserve a reward for their work. Each one, freely, decides if Elementary will be useful to them, and if it is not, then it is not paid and that's it. "
It seems to me that you may not know this: https://blog.desdelinux.net/desarrolladores-elementaryos-nos-llaman-tramposos/
That is what has bothered a lot, which, as you will see, has nothing to do with what you say.
regards
ps: by the way, I never heard or read someone complaining about asking for donations to the project.
Regarding elementary, it can be useful if you install it and do not try to put another program that interests you, I do not mean that you cannot install many programs without problems, but I have had several with some, so for users who do not want to have problems? (ubuntu, kubuntu, etc.)
regards
Of course I know him, and it's a totally wrong comment, but… as we say… what does bacon have to do with speed? Like it or not, the distribution is good, for the use that certain people need, those who do not want anything complicated.
I am like you, I prefer to mold the system to my liking, but I understand that the vast majority of people are not like me. And if I tell you all this, it is because I manage a fleet of 500 Linux machines, and before installing and customizing the distribution, I must think to whom it is addressed, and they are students who need something easy and immediate.
I started with Linux almost 20 years ago, and I have gone through all the phases, and really ... that a comment like in that blog ... clouds us .... bufff ...
And I understand that if that comment bothered you, and you think it is a project that is not worth supporting, do not do it. You are in your right.
But you have to be objective, and the work is valued, and if it is well done, it is well done, no matter how "reed" some of its members may be. And if not… .what do we do with Linux Torvals… do we condemn him every time he gets to criticize something unfairly ?. I think not, that when he speaks he only expresses his opinion, that I can share or not, but that he says things that I do not like, he does not despise his work, which is good.
regards
And by the way, this that I am quoting you now does seem really laughable, beyond "cheating the system" ... not to say shame or shame ...:
«While we could rightfully disallow free downloads, someone else could take our open source code, compile it, and give it away for free. So there's no point in completely disallowing it. »
This is support for free software, right?
Who talked about money or paying?
I was going to tell you user names, but ... you just have to read the messages posted carefully. Criticism of Elementary has been exaggerated after its publication on their blog, and what has bothered is that they asked so directly that people pay. It is not an appreciation, it is a reality.
I loved the article because your point of view is critical despite the fact that I too get carried away many times by the excitement of trying something new although in reality it turns out to be more of the same, but hey Who does not like the aroma of something that looks new? Regards.
I also wanted to test it in VirtualBox and I had the same problem. There was no way to put it in decent resolution. So I had to install it on a separate HDD to test it decently.
The truth is that I do not understand what is said that it is the most beautiful distro. Because it looks like OSX? With any distro and / or desktop environment you can achieve the same appearance and in a more successful way than in elementary. In Arch Linux, which is what I use, I can think of many configurations with that appearance and with better results ...
On the other hand, to be based on Ubuntu, elementary is that, very elementary. Too. Hears. For those who like ...
It is just my opinion. 🙂
eOS, is nothing more than a "beautifully tuned" fork of Ubuntu, it is not another distro with all the law, therefore it does not have any radical change that justifies the request for donations so aggressively from its developers. I think they are asking for too much consideration for too little.
If it is as little as you mention, I invite you to do your version too, I say how little sure you can do it
I don't know what's wrong with me but I haven't tried new distros for a long time, for a simple reason, most of them disappear, so I try to stay in ubuntu or fedora, I would like to use debian, but unity has caught me, so I start to wonder if elementary It is really necessary or it would have been better for them to focus on creating themes and helping the usability in gnome, who knows maybe a large company buy elementary and have a great future, because if not, if some developer says no longer then it dies there the distro becoming another derivative or so, it's just a personal opinion
I recently tried Ubuntu 14.04.1 (I did not have the .2) and I loved it, the only problem I saw, that it has old packages, nothing else, otherwise, it works excellent, fast, simple, without any break. I don't know what else they want?
With EasyBCD and grub4dos I can load the elementary iso into Ram; but not run it as live cd, because I get something like line 7 sr0 medium not found (not so in xubuntu vivid).
The truth is this version of elementary is very ugly, the artwork does not have much coherence in the windows, removing the title bar and merging it with the tools, I think, they did not know how to apply the concept in terms of aesthetics. Besides, several programs do not serve me as empathy or brazier, neither one of the two opens. And if I lock the computer and leave it there and if the screen turns off I have to forget to log in because it stays there, with a black screen that does not allow anything to do, I only see the pointer and I have to turn it off. Many problems for a "Stable" version so no way will I have to look for another option as this is waiting for it and I am very ugly disappointed.
And Antergos I have not had the pleasure of testing it.
Download Elementary Os Freya and I really liked it, it looks very nice. But on the second day it suddenly didn't start and I couldn't find the cause, I'll have to use Windows until I have time to reinstall Arch. Besides this problem, as far as I could test, it seemed unstable.
I recently tried out Antergos and really liked it, although I've always liked Arch's horrible installation.
On the subject of payment, I think the only way they would have my money is if after testing their distribution it became my working tool, it seems that it will not be like that.
I tried Elementary OS Luna, I liked it, quite a bit but it kind of fell too short for my interests. I tried to use Antergos but I had problems from the moment I installed it.
So I went back to my old love Linux Mint again and didn't change it again for the world. Like I do not despise any distro, they are all beautiful. Only that some are for some and others for other types of people.
And that's the beauty of this world of Linux. That we can explore and look at different distros until we find our love.
What can I say about Elementary OS?
1 .- I don't like its aesthetics, it seems too simple, see me and don't touch me.
2.- Complaints with essential details are already beginning to parade.
3 .- I do not understand how the hundreds of Linux or GNU / Linux distributions, not being able to have their own desktop in a standard way, the windows that is a single line in all its versions has its own desktop that
4 .- You will tell me Gnome, DKE, Unity, Cinnamon, others, most people who use other systems in the modern world, think that they are primitive rudimentary desktops without elegance and basic definition for the end user, too heavy.
6 .- The distributions that adopted systemd, little by little begins their results, people begin to complain about errors, login, etc.
7 .- Ending with this of Elementary OS, given the inaccurate statements by the administrators of Elementary OS calling its users "clumsy" for the downloads that they themselves offer in free mode, it causes resistance to try said distribution. This is their message.
Regards!
Of these two of which you speak, at the time I tried Antergos, and therefore, a tremendous distro. For now, I'm under Ubuntu and so, everything is fine and without any inconvenience.
Regards!
Well yes, we better ignore you because you have no idea. Let's leave the design and usability to the interface designers, and the programming to the programmers.
It has happened to me in Arch and with all the derivatives of Arch (Antergos and Manjaro) that for my work I have to connect to a VDI (Virtual PC through VMWare-View) and I always have the black screen of the remote desktop, which in Debian or Ubuntu, it does not happen to me. It works perfect.
Another point is with the HP Printer, having the plugins in AUR, it does not update everything evenly, but it takes a few days and makes the printer stop working until they update the file from AUR.
If it weren't for these points, which for me, for my work, are fundamental. He would live in Antergos.
Hmm, I don't know if it's an aberration, but I'm using eOS freya as a workstation. Already install Oracle Sqldeveloper with OpenJDK. Install Brackets to edit my web pages and I'm looking forward to installing Sublime Text. Install Oracle Virtual Box to run WinXP for work reasons and without problems. I had Fedora 21 installed and because I was looking for the 5 legs to the cat, it gave me a problem, I downloaded eOS Freya to see how it was, because I had already used Luna without problems in my house. In my case, it's true, the default browser doesn't cover with everything I need. I am giving mail client Geary the opportunity to see what it is, and yes, something is still missing; but for the rest, Distro working, I listen to music very well, I see my photos and images without problems, I watch videos without mishaps, I synchronize the eOS calendar with google. In conclusion, I am working with Elementary OS Freya without problems, it may be that I am lucky, or that it will give me problems later, I do not know, I do not assure it, what if, is that the distro comes clean, without so many applications, I install it that I need and that's it, in fact I just need to install LibreOffice 4.4.2 and install the office printers and that's it. Aaaahhh, and it's "pretty." Regards.
Well, you are not so bad that we say XD I too after the great experience that was moon, I plan to make freya my main os, I have steam already installed, some games, the sublime text 3 that I install via ppa and it goes extremely fast, to Like android studio and its emulator, blender also works like a bullet, that if midori is garbage and I replaced it with firefox, in general everything is going as well as I was on the moon and better than when I was in Ubuntu, Debian, Lubuntu etc, They were always "breaking" me, with elementary I found my perfect linux, simple, fast and beautiful, I don't know what others up there complain that it is very simple that it is a "look at me and don't touch me", but that's what I love it, it is very easy to use, to play more deeply, there you have the console, eOS is my favorite distro so far, the only thing I don't like is having to remember every moment that this romance is going to end, either when they release another version based on a much better ubuntu, there if they enter meeager to try rolling release distros.
This article has more of a tantrum than anything else. The claim that Elementary OS is only suitable for the one who does "very basic things" has no foundation. None. And as an experienced Linux user that you are, elav, you can't help but know.
Then you suggest that the development of Calamares be abandoned to work at Cnchi and you again provide compelling reasons to support such a purpose: it is the simplest and most beautiful that I have tried. I think the Calamares developers will be rethinking their work right now, if they've read you.
A little seriousness and judgment, please.
Well I tell you the same manuel, you say that my comment about ElementaryOS has no weight but you do not contribute anything solid to counteract that with eOS you can only do very basic things. And well, with the second part the same. However, since you want some weight in my reasoning I will give it to you:
About eOS: It is extremely basic for its tools, the own applications lack options :.
- The File Manager has less functionalities than PCManFM or Thunar.
- Maya is extremely simple and organizing calendar events becomes too complicated, many clicks.
- Geary does not even have POP support, only IMAP for which it works.
- How many things can you customize in Pantheon?
- Music or whatever it's called, in addition to giving errors left and right as the same, too basic.
I follow? Better not. Of course, what I need to do with those tools and that with KDE I have plenty, to many it may seem like an excess, that's why I say that it is very basic.
About Calamares: In KaOS it closes, again and again, so I have not been able to install this distro. But beyond that, what does Calamares provide both visually and functionally? I'll tell you as an end user: NOTHING, not even extra options. It is so similar to the rest and even worse, because to pass the slides you even have to be clicking, clicking, clicking ...
So nothing, I wait for your reasons to see how wrong I am.
I am not an expert user in the linux world, and surely not average but I have tried several distros and with most of them I used to have stability and compatibility problems or that they simply did not convince me. Since I installed Freya it has convinced me a lot but I begin to notice a lack of customization and ease of working, it seems to me a beautiful and stable distro but changing four logical things would have a greater power, in my humble opinion ...
By the way, seeing your reactions makes me want to try other distros again, which ones do you recommend?
I am a newcomer to the linux world, previously like almost everyone I tried ubuntu and mint, of these two I liked more mint but in the end I ended up uninstalling them because my team has limited resources and both distros were making the team heavy; however one day I found Os Luna and it is going really well on my computer, now before installing Freya I wanted to find out how it was working and seeing their opinions I think it would be better if I continued with Luna.
I quite like your posts and I think they are useful for people like me who have not yet mastered Linux much, although to be honest it is getting easier and easier and unless you have a problem everything works like silk.
A greeting.
You install it !!! This post is not objective, there are good quality blogs and this one is not. Install Freya with confidence, I have it and people who want to install it on PCs that have had XP for 10 years, they are fascinated !!!
Well, forgive the daring.
I have a Windows PC, Mac Book Pro and for 3 months a PC with 2 Linux OS: Ubuntu Studio and Elementary OS. I am a newcomer to the Linux world.
I am a creator of digital multimedia content and the poor Mac has not been used for 2 months, I do everything in Ubuntu Studio and Elementary OS. I think the comments you say are totally childish because Elementary is a great Operational Site !!!
Of course if they use it to play to change "little things" you will get bored !!!
To take advantage of any SO you must STUDY, INVEST TIME and BE FOCUSED ON THE RESULT.
In 3 months I invested time and practically do everything in Linux, I only turn on Windows for FREE SOFTWARE that I have not been able to install in Ubuntu and Elemntary.
I do animations, Design, Music (I am a pianist and music producer), voice overs, my programs (which I bought for win a long time ago) I run them with Wine without problems.
Instead of commenting on banalities, GET STUDY! and get all the potential !!!
I've been using Elementary Os since Luna for 2 years now. Now I use it in a 256gb SSD with an i7 8gb of ram in a mid-range Asus laptop with a 4400 graphics. I really, in my 20 years as a professional in the computer world, I have only used a PC that was faster than this and it was a server without a graphical environment from SUN Microsystem.
I do not know what you are of an operating system. For me Freya, although just leaving had some minor problem ... it solves any need I have. We are a Digital Marketing agency and we do e-commerce, web, email marketing, we manage our own servers… .. SERIOUSLY… I don't know what you ask Elementary that cannot give you…. the same is that they are very professional in Servers.
For an office user, designer or developer like us…. it works 100% perfect for us. And as I say ... I have not seen even the € 2500 MAC of my partner an OS that starts in 6 seconds like mine. It is clear that this feat is given by an SSD hard disk with read and write rates of 575mb / s is a Samsung Evo 850 of 256GB.
I keep betting on Freya 64bits until I find nothing better or that I like more.
regards
Hello friends.
I am studying the Technology degree, and I already tried Ubuntu not 100% but the truth is that thanks to it I started to fall in love with Linux. Anyway, I saw that many commented on the design of Elementary. and choose to try it. At the outset I noticed that you cannot see the files on the Desktop, which I suppose speeds up the startup. System shutdown is very fast. But as many of you say: you have to customize it too much. Remove packages (Midori, Geary), include (Torrent Client, and many necessary applications that do not come by default). I keep testing it; I liked ubuntu a lot however, I feel a little faster Elementary on my pc. Maybe you could advise me to opt for another, like Xubuntu or Debian but I think this is about interacting with the distributions. For now, it is going very well. For now!!!
PSD: Xubuntu looks tempting too.
greetings.
If you read all of them carefully, you will find what I always say, Linux, whatever distro it is, it only serves to write letters, read mail and navigate. And period
Producing is impossible, editing photos, no way, videos, the same, sound only Audacity, which you can use with windows too
What happens is that some people love to say and boast of using free software, of the knowledge they have, because they use @ Debiaaaannnn @ or Arch, which gives them genius patents
What they don't tell you about is the thousands of hours spent on Google looking for different solutions to the same problems
An example> I used it ten years ago, at the moment I am using a LIVE of manjaro, * you see how it writes (and someone in the know will tell me ehhhh if you fix it this way ...
But I want an operating system that gives me what I want, not that I have to go crazy looking for the way that goes on my machine
I try almost everything that comes out, and almost nothing works,
Install elementary I loved the aesthetics, but it sucks, it crashes at the beginning, starts when it wants,… it hurts because it is beautiful
But since I started there with Ubuntu 6, nothing has improved, nothing is even similar to Windows 10
And I'm not against those who use it, if you want to go by mule, you go
But don't cheat; in people, don't lie. this is a car, it is not the panacea advertised by the vanities of the linuxeros sect
and keep on google looking for solutions every day
Nothing is like windows 10 !!!! and linux only serves to write letters and read the mail. LOL. The truth is not worth continuing to write to answer you. Cheers