Ngisanda kuthola ukuthi i- intukuthelo evela kubasebenzisi abaningi kuholele ekwakhiweni kwe-uselessd, i-init daemon entsha esekwe ku-systemd ezama ukuyiphuca "inani elingadingekile lokusebenza elihlanganayo." Ukukhethwa kwegama kuyathakazelisa, okuthi, ngesiNgisi, kufundwe njengo- "the useless systemd" noma "let's use less systemd".
Ezigabeni zayo zokuqala zentuthuko, i-Uselessd ayiyona nje imfoloko yesistimu encishiswe yaba ubuncane. Emagameni wabathuthukisi bayo, ithi "i-init eyisisekelo (initd) daemon, inqubo yokuqapha kanye nohlelo lokuthembela olwenziwe, olwehlisa ukungena kanye nokuzihlukanisa." Phakathi kokusebenza okususiwe kubalwa: i-journald, i-libudev, i-udevd nezinhlobo ezithile zamayunithi athathwa njengongadingekile, okungukuthi amadivayisi, ama-timers, ama-swaps, ama-mounts kanye ne-automounts.
Njengokungathi lokhu bekunganele, sebevele bengeze ukusekelwa ukukuhlanganisa ngaphansi kwe-MUSL ne-eClibc, njengezindlela zokusebenzisa i-glibc. I-Uselessd nayo isezigabeni zokuqala zokufakwa ku-FreeBSD, ngenkathi i-systemd inokusekelwa kwe-Linux kuphela.
Noma kunjalo, akucaci ukuthi "izimpi ze-init" zizophela kanjani nokuthi okungenamsebenzi kuzogcina kudale indawo ezosebenza ngempela, kepha labo abafisa ukufunda kabanzi ngale phrojekthi bangavakashela Iwebhusayithi esemthethweni.
Ngangazi ukuthi kukhona umuntu ongeke avele azinamathele futhi akhiphe iSystemD.
Manje, ukumeseka, nje.
Uyini umehluko phakathi kwe-systemd… .CLI… ..GUI?
i-systemd isingatha ukuqala kwesistimu nezinhlelo zokusebenza.
I-Cli ivela kusixhumi somugqa womyalo, okungukuthi, imiyalo oyisebenzisayo ukuphatha izinhlelo
Futhi i-GUI imayelana nesibonisi sokuqhafaza.
Ungayibheka ku-inthanethi engikutshela yona
Layisha i-tuto yama-noobs
Angiqondi, njengomsebenzisi, lo mkhankaso we-anti-systemd
Kube lula kimi, njengomsebenzisi olula, ukujwayela ukusetshenziswa kwayo lapho ngisebenzisa noma ngenza ukuthi izinsiza zingasebenzi, sengivele ngazi ngekhanda okuthile okungenzeki kimi ngaphambili.
Anginalutho olumelene ne-syetmd futhi ngibona ukwedelela kwakhe kungenangqondo. Ukukhuluma njengomsebenzisi wokugcina.
Ukwenza imfoloko yokususa imisebenzi kubonakala kuwubuwula kimi. Abantu bayadinwa.
Ngiyabaqonda abantu abasha ku-GNU / Linux futhi abakwazi ukubona umehluko okhona phakathi kwalokho obekuyikho nalokho i-systemd ezama ukusinyonyobela.
I-Linux iyinhlangano ye-Unix futhi i-Unix yadalwa inento eyodwa engqondweni, yenza into eyodwa ngasikhathi sinye futhi uyenze kahle, lokhu kwakungeyona inhlansi, kwakungenxa yokwehluleka okukhulu kweMultics lapho ngazama ukwenza izinto eziningi futhi wabenza kabi noma cha wayengabalawula njengoba kwakufanele abe.
Ngakho-ke abagcinanga nje ngokungqubuzana negama leMultics besebenzisa i-Unix (okuthile okufana nokuningi uma kuqhathaniswa nokumbalwa noma okuhlukile) kepha futhi bakha umqondo wamapayipi nokuhlanganiswa kwezinqubo ezinikeza ukuguquguquka okungenakwenzeka ukufezeka ngezinye izindlela ... impumelelo ye-Unix.
Manje nge-systemd bafuna ukuthi siphinde siqhamuke nenganekwane ye-Multics futhi… .hayi bantu, ukwenqaba isisekelo se-Unix ku-Linux kubuyela eMultics lapho sazi khona (umlando ukuvezile lokhu kaningana) ukuthi sikuqinisekisile ukwehluleka.
Uma usanda kufika ku-GNU / Linux sicela ufunde umlando omncane bese ufunda ukuthi kungani izinto zenziwa ngale ndlela ku-Unix naku-GNU / Linux.
Kushiwo kahle, nakulabo abathi ezweni lanamuhla izinto azisasebenzi kanjalo, ngikunikeza isibonelo, isiphequluli, enye yezingcezu eziyinkimbinkimbi kakhulu zesoftware ekhona, nokho, zakhiwa ngamathuluzi okuthi, ngamunye , Yenza umsebenzi othize futhi ingasebenza ngaphandle kwesethi. Injini ye-JavaScript, i-HTML eyodwa, i-SSL, i-http ...
Ukuthi ayikaze isebenze esikhathini esedlule akusho ukuthi ngeke isasebenza manje. Sekuyiminyaka engama-20 lokho, mhlawumbe sekuyisikhathi sokushintsha, akunjalo?
Ngingathanda ukuba ngumuntu omusha kuLinux, bengikulokhu kusukela ngo-2004 futhi yebo, ngiyazi ukuthi yini i-Linux ne-systemd, kepha nokho ngibona i-systemd ikhululekile ngokwengeziwe.
La mazwana engizowashiya ngezansi avela kozakwethu, akuwona owami, kepha ngamazwana engibhalisela nawo.
[…] Ukwenqatshwa kwe-systemd kubangelwa "i-neophobia", ukwesaba okusha. Ukwenza kungasebenzi iskripthi se-SysVinit kusikisele ukuqonda okuhle kohlelo lwe-runlevels kanye nokuncika okungaba khona ku /etc/init.d ... futhi ekusabalaliseni ngakunye bakwenze ngendlela ehlukile. Nge-systemd ukukhubazeka kwe-systemctl kwanele futhi yilokho kuphela.
Labo abakhononda ngokuthi i-systemd yephula ifilosofi ye-UNIX ukuthi abakatholanga ukuthi iyini ifilosofi ye-UNIX nokuthi isebenza kanjani i-systemd. Ngalo mthetho ofanayo wezintathu, i-Linux kernel ingaba yi-UNIX encane emhlabeni. Okwenzekayo ukuthi i-systemd iguqula umsebenzi uye ku-PID 1, njengoba ngichazile kokungenayo ngaleso sikhathi: kuyi-daemon yohlelo, hhayi nje into ekhipha imibhalo.
Ukuphela kwento engiyibonayo ukuthi i-systemd ayilandeli ifilosofi ye-UNIX ukusebenzisa izingodo kanambambili, kepha kufanelekile ukusheshisa umbuzo ngokwenza inkomba. […]
@Yoyo: Okwenzekayo ukuthi njengoba ungumfundi ohamba kancane, noma ngubani angasho ukuthi uyi-n00b, hahahaha.
@ yo-yo:
Isilinganiso esihle kakhulu. Ngaphezu kwalokho, ihlaya ukuthi iSystemD inephutha ezimbungwini, noma inendlela yayo yokukhombisa izingodo ezinamabhulokhi.
Okungikhangayo ngalemfoloko ukuthi bazolishintsha kanjani ijubane leSystemD kwezinye izindawo ze-UNIX njenge-BSD.
I-Not Unix ye-GNU, njengoba kusho u-ricardito cassetteman
Ukuphawula kwakamuva njengokuvumelana kokuthi kungani i-systemd kungudoti. Ama-multics, amawindi…. Ingabe ukwehluleka okuphelele kwengxenye ethile kuzwakala?
Lokho kungenzeka ku-systemd edabula ngokuphelele yi-dbus, uma amanye amademoni ayo ehluleka kungadingeka ukuqala kabusha uhlelo noma yonke into ingahle ishaye. Sekuvele kwenzeka kimi kuma-centos 7 ukuthi idimoni noma iyunithi ihlala ifile futhi ayiqali ukuqala kabusha ukuqala okwenzayo. Kungiphula kakhulu uma abasebenzisi bokugcina becabanga ucezu lolwazi futhi bavikele okuthile abangakwazi nhlobo ngoba kuhlaselwa. Njengoba ushilo ugogo wami, uma ungazi, unganikeli umbono wakho, kungcono uthule ubuze ungabuzanga, uma wazi, bese ubuza.
Ukucabanga okuningi kwe-ubunuser, ukusekelwa okuhle kwe-systemd kukulethe kakhulu, okuxakayo ukuthi enye yezinkampani eziyigxekayo, eyi-canonical, ekhukhula umhlaba we-linux nabasebenzisi abangaboni ngaphesheya kwe-ls -l yabo.
Lo mfana ovela kokungenamsebenzi ungumuntu ongashadile ongumnikazi wesizinda sokuduba ngakho-ke ngaphandle kokuthi omunye ama-dev amsekele ngibona ikusasa lakhe lincane. Ngiyethemba ukuthi i-dev yama-geeky distros amaningi angakusiza uthande i-arch, i-gentoo noma i-Slackware.
.. Angizibheki "njengomsebenzisi othuthukile" Angizithandi iziqu zezicukuthwane, angiyona i-sysadmin, kepha ngidlule kuwo wonke lawo ma-distros asho (Slack (okuncane kakhulu), i-Arch iminyaka embalwa, futhi Gentoo yebo iminyaka eminingana (futhi imfoloko yakho iFuntoo)) ngiyaliqonda iphuzu lakho njengama-sysadmins, kepha ngiyazibuza, futhi uma inhlamvu ihluleka? Konke kuya esihogweni, ngakho-ke ngithi, kungani bengakhonondi nge-kernel? Ngoba azisebenzisi iMinix, noma uhlobo oluthile lwe-OS "eneseva yokuphindukuzalwa"? Kwesinye isikhathi kubonakala kimi ukuthi intukuthelo ivela kakhulu esimweni sengqondo sikaLennart (okungabonakali kufanelekile), kepha ngivumele ngikwenze jikelele, nina sysadmins (futhi Yebo uzokukwenza) uvikele umsebenzi wakho, futhi basishiyela abasebenzisi be-desktop "abalahliwe", banakekela kuphela ukuthi iseva yabo "ilungile", noma ngabe i-sysv isebenzisa "i-paradigm" yokuqala futhi inkinga ebifunwa ilungile ...), ngithi i-sever yakho izosebenza kahle nge-sysv, kepha okwamanje abasebenzisi bedeskithophu basebenzisa i-dbus esikhaleniIgama lomsebenzisi …… umbono omuhle lowo ………
Ngiyayiphinda le foloko, njengoba besho kwenye indawo, kuze kube manje ngibona kuphela igama "elihle" ne-systemd capped, okuthi ngasendleleni, WELCOME to Systemd, Systemd haters ... Ngibona abaningi abakhononda ngo-systemd, kepha bafuna ngabe ... ngoba i-OpenRC ayizenzi kahle izinto?, noma i-Upstart?, noma yini? …. Nkulunkulu wami… kuze kube manje sengibone izinhlobo ezi-2 zabazondayo, ama-sysmins anezisekelo eziyisisekelo, nalezo engizichaza kulesi sigaba ezibonakala zifana “nezikhangiso”….
Ukubuyela esihlokweni sama-sysadmins, awudingi ngisho nesibonisi sokuqhafaza, angazi ukuthi kungani ukhononda nge-systemd (ungasho kalula ukuthi iGnome Shell idinga iSystemd (okungelona iqiniso ngokuphelele ngoba iFuntoo isebenza ne-OpenRC )) Kepha AKUDINGI ama-GUI kufanele akhononde kuma-distros abo, amaCentos kanye neDebian. Ikakhulukazi amaCentos, uma iSystemd iletha izinkinga eziningi kangaka, bekungafanele ifuduke (yize bekusobala ukuthi izothutha ngaphansi kwesandla seRedHat) kanye neDebian, ngiyaxolisa ukukutshela, fuck kunqunywe yithimba lakwaDebian, ngokulangazela kwabo ukuba «yi-distro yendawo yonke" ... kepha ngiyaphinda ngisebenzisa iFreeBSD noma i- "Distro for Servers" eqonda ukuthi iSystemd "imbi" futhi isebenzisa kanjani isikhathi se-sysvinit ..
Mhlawumbe i-x11tete11x inkinga akukhona ukuthi i-kernel yehluleka, kepha ukuthi yehluleka futhi umuntu angazi ukuthi yini ebangele ukwehluleka. Yilokho okungenani okungikhathaza ngeSystemD ..
@elav Uqinisile ngalokho, ngama-systemd amaphutha amaningi wohlelo awela phakathi kwe-shades of grey and black, futhi konke ngoba i-journald ibukeka "njengebhokisi lomlingo" eliguqula izingodo zibe yifayela kanambambili elingathembekile, futhi uma ngikhuluma ngokwethembeka Ngiqonde ukuhlanya okufakazelwe (sekuvele kune-bugreport) ukuthi uma ilog yephephabhuku ilimele (engenzeka ngezizathu eziningi) iyalahlwa bese kuqalwa entsha, ishiye lelogi cishe lingafundeki ezikhathini eziningi, kubike isiphazamisi kuma-freedesktop nalapho ukumiswa okufanayo kwePoettering noma amabhola kuye. Ukungakhulumi ngenkinga yokulungisa iphutha, kodwa-ke, lokho sekuyaziwa (uma ungazi ukuthi ngikhuluma ngani, ngiyakukhumbuza ukuthi inketho yokulungisa iphutha yolayini we-kernel kanye "nokulungiswa okulandelayo" kwakuyisizathu sokuthi uKay asuswe ekubeni nezimvume zokwenza ku-kernel).
@ x11tete11x masingaqhathanisi ukuthuthukiswa kwe-kernel nokuthuthuka kwesistimu. i-systemd ucezu lwesoftware olusasebusheni bayo, uma siliqhathanisa ne-kernel, futhi angiboni ukuthi iLinus ivuma amabala wokuhlola ngakwesokunxele nangakwesokudla, ngenkathi ishintsha ama-ABIs nama-API we-kernel.
I- @joakoej Multics yehlulekile ngenxa yezizathu eziningi, kufaka phakathi: ukuba nobunzima obukhulu ngokwamakhodi, ukungasheshi emisebenzini eminingi ejwayelekile uma kuqhathaniswa nezinye izinhlelo esezenziwe, futhi kubiza ngokweqile kulokho obekuphathwa ngokujwayelekile kumaphrojekthi alingana nawo.
Kuyimfoloko ngakho-ke ayinayo yonke imisebenzi, uhlelo lwe-init alunakusebenza kanjena, bona sysvinit. i-sysvinit, yize iphelelwe yisikhathi, ibinomsebenzi owodwa oyisisekelo, futhi lokho bekuzoqala i-OS, noma yini enye abanye abazoyinakekela (syslog hhayi i-journald, openrc hhayi i-systemctl, i-consolekit futhi ayikho i-logind ...) ngoba i-sysvinit iphelelwe yisikhathi futhi ngaso sonke isikhathi kepha amaphrojekthi amaningi ancike ekuhlukanisweni kohlelo, lolu hlelo lubonakala lukhulu kimi. Ngincamela i-syslog kune-journald, kepha i-logind (ngaphandle kokuthi iyimfuneko ye-gnome) ishaya i-consolekit ngokudilika komhlaba. Futhi, le foloko kufanele ivikeleke kakhulu, iphatheke, futhi ngethemba ukuthi i-ulibc iyahambisana.
ICompa, bengingenayo into engimelene nayo noSystemd kuze kube izolo. Ngesizathu esithile iLaptop yami ithatha isikhathi eside ukucisha, futhi okuwukuphela kwento ephumayo (okungapheli):
[ 9064.808526] systemd-journald[150]: Failed to write entry (13 items, 351 bytes), ignoring: Bad addressKufana nephutha lokungena ku-Windows, ukuthi awazi lutho.
Futhi ngaphandle kwezingodo kunzima ukukwazi ukuthola umkhondo wezinkinga. USystemd uyangihlupha nami ngalolo hlobo lwento. Kungenzeka ukuthi awuyazi kahle isoftware kepha okuncane engikubuzayo kucacile ezingodweni.
Futhi futhi [Faka inkolelo yakho eyintandokazi lapha] bebeqinisile. 🙂
Kepha qaphela, masingasho ngamafasitela, mhlawumbe singesinye seziguli ezatheleleka ngezifo ezintsha uMnu uLinus aseziphakamisile ukuthi zengezwe ku-CIE, ngiyayizonda i-windowsitis, ngicabanga ukuthi ibizwa. 🙂
@ Staff futhi yini engalungile u-Elav? Kusuka kumawindi 8 izinto eziningi bezifihliwe (chkdsk ku-boot, imininingwane ye-BSOD yezobuchwepheshe, "zokuhlobisa" msconfig). Konke kubonakala kuhamba ngalolo hlangothi. Ngiyethemba asifiki ku- "mac sad" namawindi ayo ahambisanayo, futhi akukho lwazi kumsebenzisi.
@Mario
Angikaze ngithi i-elav ayilungile.
Qaphela i-emoticon ekugcineni kwezigaba zami ezimbili.
Hawu !! @ Abasebenzi ongayibeki ... ngibhekisa ku-Windows ngeposta yayo ejwayelekile ngesitayela:
IWindows ihlangabezane nenkinga. Ikhodi yenkinga ithi 0x1123df2982, xhumana neSikhungo Sokusekela ukuthola eminye imininingwane ...
ngamafuphi, i / dev / null
Elav, cabanga iphutha elifana nalesi kuseva yokukhiqiza. Akuvumelekile. I-sysadmin kuphela eqonda ukuthi kungani i-systemd imbi kangaka. Akukona ukwehlisa noma ngubani, kepha kuyadingeka ukuqonda ukuthi iprosesa, uhlelo olusebenzayo, inhlamvu, inqubo, njll. Kusebenza kanjani. ukuqonda izingqinamba ezisezingeni eliphansi i-systemd eza nazo. Idlula ifilosofi ye-UNIX, sixoxa ngokuqina kohlelo.
AmaSysadmins anethezekile nge-Debian 6/7 yawo engena-systemd ne-CentOS 5/6, kepha lapho ukwesekwa kwe-Debian 7 ne-CentOS 6 kuphela, isikhuthazo sangempela sizoqala lapho (uma enye indlela esebenzayo efana nale echazwe kule ndatshana ).
Ngisho ucabange nge-sysadmin, ukuqala ukuhumusha nokuhlola imibhalo esebenza kahle impilo yonke ngomyalo othi "service" to systemd.
Futhi iphutha olikhombisayo lembula elinye lamaphethelo we-systemd, ukusho ngokusobala, lelo banga lemininingwane yokufihla "yiWindows kakhulu".
Ukubingelela
Bheka, anginasiqiniseko ngalokhu, kepha ngicabanga ukuthi unehaba kancane, ngibe namaphutha amaningana ku-Gnu / Linux angachazwanga wona futhi ngiyangabaza ukuthi wonke abangelwa i-systemd. Ngabe nginephutha?
@Emiliano Ungase ube neqiniso. Noma kunjalo, yize ngingeyena uchwepheshe, kubonakala kimi ukuthi konke lokhu kuyamangaza. Kubonakala kimi ukuthi kuyindaba yomkhuba ukwedlula noma yini futhi uma umphathi wohlelo efuna, impela uyafunda ukuthi i-systemd isebenza kanjani, noma kubonakala kulula kuye, ngithi uma akwenzayo kugxila kukho konke, impela kwezinye noma izici eziningana izinto ziyashesha.
Ngokwalokho engikubonile kunezinzuzo eziningana kuleyo ndaba, njengesikhathi sokuqalisa, akudingi ukuthi ezinye izinhlelo ziqale ngaphambi kokuthi ezinye ziqale kahle, akudingeki ukuthi uguqule ifayela le-rc.conf noma okunye okunjalo, ngoba iphatha yonke into kusuka ngokuzenzakalela, ungaqalisa izinhlelo zokusebenza noma ngabe okunye ukuncika akuhlangabezwanga, njll. Lezi zinto ngezinye zezinzuzo engizibone ku-intanethi, ngilungise uma nginephutha
Manje, impela okunye ukungalungi kuzoba nakho, njengakho konke okunye, kepha kungaba kuhle, uma wazi ukuthi kusebenza kanjani futhi unesikhathi sokukucacisa, ngikucela njengomusa ukwazi ukuthi umbono wakho usekelwephi. Ngokwalokho engikubonile, kungahle kube nokubi lapho kuzodingeka ukuthi kukhunjulwe izinhlelo eziningana ukuze zisebenze kahle nge-systemd, kepha angazi noma lokho kuthinta ezinye izinhlelo ze-init nganoma iyiphi indlela.
@Emiliano Ah benginephutha ukuthi ifayili belingeyona i-rc.conf, beyi / etc / inittab kanye /etc/init.d/rc
Kubukeka sengathi kunenguqulo yalelo fayela le-systemd, kepha liphakathi nefayela elilodwa / etc / systemd, eliphethwe uhlelo lwe-sytemctl.
Ngicabanga ukuthi ngiyakuqonda ukuthi kungani uthi umphathi wesistimu angayithandi, ngoba kubonakala sengathi nge-init wayenokulawula okwengeziwe futhi wenza izinto kuphela lapho ekhombisa.
Esikhundleni salokho, i-systemd ingahle ithambekele kakhudlwana, kepha futhi kubonakala kimi, futhi ngiyaphinda ngiyasho, ukuthi kuyindaba yokufunda ukuthi isebenza kanjani futhi ngokuqinisekile umuntu onekhono lokuba ngumlawuli angayifinyelela.
Yebo, ngazama ukuvala uDebian Jessie ngemiyalo yeSysVinit impilo yami yonke, kepha bengingazi ukuthi isebenzisa iSystemD, ngakho-ke bekufanele ngisebenzise umhlahlandlela ka-Arch ukwazi ukuphatha iSystemD ne-systemctl kangcono kancane.
Mina, iSystemD icisha i-PC yedeskithophu ngokushesha impela lapho ngisebenzisa kakhulu i-Chromium / Chrome / Opera Blink.
@ eliotime3000 lapha une-wiki enhle ye-system ye-debian enolwazi oluningi http://www.esdebian.org/wiki/systemd Impela i-arch wiki yinhle kakhulu kepha i-systemd in debian ayifakwanga ngendlela efanayo ne-arch ngakho-ke kunemiyalo eminingi, izixazululo, njll ezingeke zikusebenzele. i-distro ngayinye inezinto zayo ezincane 😉
LOL
Ubuso obujabule bebunganele, mhlawumbe kufanele ngisebenzise omaka abacaphuni, ngalokho manje amamaki wokucaphuna acacisa konke all // Sarcasm (ukubona ukuthi ngale ilebula usuvele uyayiqonda yini).
Kukhombisa ukuthi nawe awuyifundanga impendulo yami kuMario.
Izigaba zami ezimbili zazinokubhuqa.
Owokuqala, ezama ukukhomba okungaqondakali ukuthi lapho abantu besitshela ngokusilela kwephrojekthi, sibabiza njengabahlanyayo nezinye izinto eziyinkulungwane uma singazwelani nemibono yabo, kepha lapho sesivele sibhekene nezinkinga enyameni yethu asisenalutho ngaphandle kokugwinya amagama.
Okwesibili, ukuthi NGOKUSEBENZA KUFANA NAMAWINDELA, kepha abaningi abakwamukeli futhi bathi yingoba iWindows iyazondwa futhi isetshenziswa ngokungakhethi ukuhlasela yonke into enganuki njenge-FSF.
Kepha ngamafuphi, imibandela yinto enzima ukuyithola kulo mhlaba.
@ Staff, ndoda ukusebenzisa ukubhuqa ngendlela yokuxhumana ebanda njengale, kufanele usebenze kancane
@elav:
Ngiza lapha, Ngishiya lesi sixhumanisi ngiphawula, bese ngibaleka. : v
Ngibonile okufanayo kodwa lapho ngiqala…. izinsuku ezimbalwa ikhompyutha ithatha unomphela ukuqala futhi kuqala kulayini isho okuthile okuhlobene neSystemd. Kwenzekani?
Kanjalo ne-elav, kanye namawindi uqobo. Ngibe nephutha LOKHO, susa lonke ifayela kumagazini futhi yilokho kuphela. Maduze kuzofanele sifake kabusha hahaha.
Hahaha, kepha uma ngafaka ama-Antergos kungapheli inyanga edlule hahaha
Cabanga nje ukuthi ngizizwa kanjani nge-Arching fuck ethatha cishe amasekhondi angama-30 noma angama-40 ukuqala isikhathi eside kuneWindows, yebo, ngifaka ama-shit amaningi kudoti, kepha angiqali lutho (yilokho engizama ngakho kakhulu) into ehlanya kakhulu enginayo isevisi ye-CUPS futhi ngicabanga ukuthi ssh yamatheminali akude. Ngeshwa, ngemuva konyaka ngaphandle kokufomatha, ngicabanga ukuthi ngizocabanga kabusha ngombono wokuphinda ngikwenze 🙁
Ngeshwa ngibonile ukuthi eminyakeni emi-2 edlule sesisondele kuma-distros wesitayela seWindows azama ukufihla imininingwane, enze imibiko yamaphutha, enze imisebenzi lapho umsebenzisi kufanele angenelele futhi abe nokulawula.
Njengoba ngiphuthelwa ama-distros kusuka eminyakeni engu-3-4 edlule ne-SysVinit, bekumnandi ukuluhlaza nge "init 0" esikoleni se-XD. Ngaphezu kwalokho, yize yonke into yayingavunyelwanga kangako, ukulawulwa kwakungumsebenzisi ngokweqile hhayi uhlelo. Yebo, kunezinsiza eziningi, kepha kubiza ...
Wawukubona kuza. Anginalutho olumelene ne-systemd, njengomsebenzisi ojwayelekile kwenza izinto zibe lula kakhulu kimi futhi nemiyalo yokwenza kusebenze noma ukwenza izinsizakalo zingasebenzi kulula kakhulu. Kusazobonwa ukuthi le mpi ye-init iphela kanjani.
ISystemD ifana nendandatho yokuyilawula yonke. Kungaba yihhashi le-NSA Trojan. ISystemD ingafaka engozini ukuphepha kwethu kobumfihlo, njengoba ingena ezinsizakalweni eziningi. Futhi okubi kakhulu, uma i-distro yami iphathe amandla kahle, kuzokwenzekani manje? Ngeke ngikwazi ukuthuthela kolunye uhlangothi.
Hhayi iTrojan, uma ilawula izinto eziningi, kepha kuseseSoftware yamahhala, ungabona ukuthi ikhodi yenzani ngolwazi lwakho.
Ngakho-ke, uma iSystemD inezinkinga (futhi inazo), kufanele zixazululwe hhayi nje ukulahlwa kude, ngoba futhi inezinto eziningi ezinhle nezidingekayo.
Yinye into eqinisekile, ngiyazi nje ukuthi angazi lutho. Ngingu-newbie, kepha ngemuva kokufunda imibono eminingi yabantu abazi kakhulu kunami, abaphikisayo, noma abangathathi hlangothi, isiphetho engingasifinyelela ukusola futhi akukho lutho olungenza ngingayeki ukukwenza. Akukho okungenza ngithembe, okwamanje.
Ngisebenzisa i-openSUSE ngoba ngiyayithanda futhi kungenzeka ukuthi banginyonyobela ... Eqinisweni, kungenzeka ukuthi bayayinyonyobela yonke indawo ... Futhi kulapho kuvela khona uStallman, ubheka ubumfihlo bethu, noma ngabe kungakanani kusinda abaningi.
Ngabe i-NSA ayizange ifake izinzipho zayo kuRedHat ????
Ihaba kanjani, kungani ngingayekethisa ubumfihlo bakho?
Ukwephula ezokuphepha futhi ungavumeli muntu azi ngakho, udinga ukwenza izingodo zesistimu zibe zimbi kakhulu, zikwenze kube nzima, ukwenze kube kanambambili, ungabanaki labo ababika ukungasebenzi kahle, ungavumeli i-syslog-ng ne-journald ukuba zihlale ngasikhathi sinye.
Uma sengeza kulokhu kuphathwa kwenethiwekhi okuzenzakalelayo nge-dhcp, sinomhlabathi otshalwe ukungena ngaphandle kokushiya umkhondo "kwisiphazamisi esincane kunazo zonke esingakatholakali", empeleni lowo ongakuboni lokhu kungenxa yokuthi akaboni, uyisithulu futhi uyisimungulu… Iminyaka eyodwa yathi ... ngezithelo zabo uzobazi, futhi-ke, sengivele ngiyazibona izithelo futhi uma sezivuthiwe.
Okuthiwa ku-systemd akukhona nje ukwenza umsebenzi ohambelana nayo, kungenele kuyo yonke into ukuphazamisa ukuphepha nokwenza amathuluzi asephelelwe yisikhathi enza imisebenzi yawo kahle ngokungavumeli ukuhlala kwabo bobabili ngasikhathi sinye.
Njengoba ngishilo ngaphambili, yehaba kanjani.
Ngingakukholwa uma nje iSystemD ihlelwa ngabakwaMicrosoft, Apple kanye / noma enye inkampani engabelani ngekhodi yomthombo. Ngenhlanhla, akunjalo, futhi ubonga ukuthi okungenani kunomuntu ongakaze abe neziyaluyalu kuphela.
Ngakolunye uhlangothi, lapho uLinus Trovals ebuzwa ngohlelo lwe-SELinux algorithm, waphendula ngesisombululo esiqonde ngqo (futhi lokho akusho ukuthi ubaba kaLinus uvumile ukuthi i-NSA izamile ukufaka isandla ekuthuthukiseni i-kernel, yize kuphela kwento kwesokunxele ukukwenza ukuqalisa isakhi esilahlekile ngayo yonke into nekhodi yomthombo).
Qaphela ukuthi ukungazi kuvame ukuba yisishayo esiyinhloko somuntu.
Kuhle, ngisanda kuwina ama-euro ayi-10 ngokubheja 😛. Njengoba kungabikezelwa njengangaphambili ... Kuzwakala kukuhle kimi, angiyithandi ngempela i-systemd ngenxa yefilosofi yephrojekthi yayo nokuntuleka kwayo okuphelele kwekhodi (i-la OpenSSL). Kepha ngiyabona ukuthi iphakeme ngokwezobuchwepheshe. Ngicabanga ukuthi kungenzeka yini ukuthi ithathe isikhundla se-sysvinit ye-Openrc. Kuleso simo ngizothutha.
Futhi, kwisoftware yamahhala, ngasizathu simbe, kudingeka kube nokwenziwa okubili okufanayo, kungani, ukuncintisana (i-Libreoffice, i-Openoffice) nokuphepha (i-OpenSSL).
kunento eyodwa engingayiqondi, uma ukwakheka kwesistimu kususelwa kumaqenjana ayisici esikhethekile se-linux.
Ukuhambisa ukusetshenziswa kwemfoloko efakwe kusistimu kuFreeBSD Hurd, njll., Engeza amaqoqo kulezo zinhlamvu noma susa amaqoqo kusuka ekwakhiweni kwemfoloko eshiwo.
kepha uma ususa amaqoqo emfoloko ye-systemd, kunzima ukucabanga nge-Uselessd njengenye indlela yangempela ku-systemd.
Lesi sinyathelo ngisibheka njengesihle kakhulu ngoba ukuncintisana kuhle njalo njengoba kubaphoqa ukuba balwele ukuba ngcono futhi umphumela uzuze abasebenzisi.
* garegan = engeza
bebengeke nje basebenzise amaqoqo noma benze amaqoqo angazikhethela. Ngokombono akunzima kangako. okumele ukwenze ukumane wakhe bese ubhala indlela yokuxhasa ezinye izindlela zokulawula izinqubo ezikhona kuwo wonke ama-OSs amanje. Ekusebenzeni lokhu kuyadina futhi kuyabiza ngoba kusho ukuthi uma, ngokwesibonelo, unamahora ayi-8 ukusebenza kulolu hlelo, esikhundleni sokusebenzisa amahora ayi-8 ukwenza ngcono nokupholisha lokho okukhethwa kukho okukodwa, kufanele uhlukanise leso sikhathi sibe ngu-6 (gcina izindlela ezi-3 + nezindlela ezi-3 zokushintshana phakathi kwazo). ngale ndlela ukugcinwa nentuthuko kuba nzima kakhulu futhi kuhamba kancane. Ngisho, noma ngabe usekela eziningana ezijwayelekile noma usekela eyodwa kahle.
Futhi ingasaphathwa eyokuthi i-BSD inesidingo esincane kakhulu kuma-sysadmins, futhi ne-UNIX uqobo iyibona ngamehlo afanayo ne-Windows XP.
iphuzu ukuthi ama-cgroups: «asetshenziselwa ukugcina ithrekhi yenqubo yesevisi, esikhundleni sama-PID. Lokhu kusho ukuthi amademoni awanakukwazi "ukubaleka" kusuka kusistimu noma ngabe anemfoloko ephindwe kabili. » http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd
Yize lokhu kungenye yamaphuzu agxeka i-systemd ngoba bathi iqala ku-pid 0 nokuthi lokhu kuyingozi ngoba uma i-systemd yephula iphula uhlelo, okuyinto njengoba i-linus isho iwubuwula ngoba uma iphula i-kernel noma ezinye izinqubo nayo iphula uhlelo. iqiniso ukuthi uma imfoloko ingasebenzisi amaqebelengwane isebenzisa ama-pids futhi ngeke ibe nokulawula okugcwele kwamademoni. ngalokho ayisoze yaba ngcono kune-systemd ku-linux
Kunezimfoloko eziningi ezihlobene, kepha lokhu kungokokuqala ukuzihlela ngokwazo. Ku-Gentoo for udev (obekuhlanganiswe nalokhu okushiwo ngenhla), kukhona i-libgudev ne-libeudev. Ngaphandle kwalokho, kuyamangaza ukuhamba ne-OpenRC, futhi ubone kuzinqubo ze- "systemd / udev" ukuthi kwenzeka kanjani ekufakweni okuthile kwamanje. Ngokwami, angiwuthandi umqondo wokungeza iklayenti le-DHCP (ngiyethemba abakakwenzi okwamanje). Ngikholwa ukuthi kukhona isoftware efakazelwe futhi enhle kakhulu kulowo msebenzi, asikho isidingo sokuvuselela isondo.
Ngiyalungisa, i-gudev nayo ihlelwe, kuzinguqulo zakamuva.
Ngiphendula ukuphawula nge-DHCP ku-systemd.
i-systemd ayinayo kuphela i-DHCP eyakhelwe ngaphakathi (eyakhelwe ngaphakathi njengengxenye ye-networkd), futhi ine-resolver ye-DNS ne-cache ye-DNS, kanye nezici ezitholwe ku-Avahi (esinye isilo esidalwe yiPoettering).
Namuhla benginamazambane kanye ne-steak esidlweni sakusihlwa, angikuthandanga, ngizokwakha imfoloko. Futhi ngakho konke.
Ingabe okungenamsebenzi empeleni kungukusebenza kwefulegi lamanga okwenziwe iRed Hat ukudicilela phansi isitha sabo nokufaka iNew World Order?
… Fuck.
Imbozwe kahle ngemuva kwale phrojekthi
UKUHUMUSHA:
Bangitshela lokho
1) Bakha isistimu enqunyiwe ngaphandle kwanoma yimaphi amathuluzi abo futhi azikho izinzuzo ezilethwa ukulinganiswa kwayo ngenkathi ingaxazululi noma yiziphi izinkinga i-systemd exazulula noma exazulula izinkinga zakudala zendabuko. Yebo kulungile. nginike 3
2) Bangitshela ukuthi iyi-systemd ngaphandle kwe- "bloat" kepha kuvela ukuthi i-systemd iyimoduli futhi ungasebenzisa i-systemd ngaphandle kwanoma yimaphi amademoni ezingane zayo. Ngakho-ke, ukususa i-bloat kuyafana ekusebenzeni (ngaphandle kokuthi ngeke kugcine amathuluzi amahle kakhulu ahlelwe kahle njengama-jounal)? kulungile. iphelele. Nginike ama-20 njengamanje.
3) Bangitshela ukuthi le foloko engaxazululi noma iyiphi inkinga, ukuthi ayixazululi inkinga yokwakhiwa kwezinga eliphansi, ukuthi ayinikezi izinzuzo zobuchwepheshe zanoma yiluphi uhlobo, kepha kunalokho okusibuyisela emuva eminyakeni emihlanu ukuphathwa kwezinsizakalo ku-Linux. bancintisane nethemba elilodwa lokumisa amazinga? . kulungile. Ngiyamthanda. nginike ama-distros angama-5 ngalokhu. Ngiyacela. manje !!
kulabo abangaqondi. ukubhuqa 🙂
futhi yingakho i-linux ingasoze yanqoba kwideskithophu, lapho ekugcineni ama-pazos eqala ukunikezwa ukudala ingqalasizinda yokwenza ideskithophu esebenzayo ibe khona kuzo zonke izethameli. Ama-mamerto aphuma nemishini yawo yokuqhuma. kulungile mabenze lokho abakuthandayo, banelungelo, kepha iqiniso ukuthi, ungalindeli ukuthathwa ngokungathi sína.
http://hackingthesystem4fun.blogspot.mx/2014/09/linux-no-triunfa-en-el-escritorio.html
http://linuxito.com/gnu-linux/nivel-alto/431-por-que-systemd-es-una-mierda
Ukukhuluma iqiniso, ihlaya ukuthi iSystemD ingisiza kakhulu, futhi yenza nokuvalwa kwePC kusheshe kakhulu uma unesikhathi esanele usebenzisa i-Chrome kumahlukanisi we-Ext4. Uma kwenzeka ngizama uDebian Jessie nge-XFS ne-SystemD - futhi ngaphezu kwakho konke, kunginika imiphumela engcono kune-SysVinit - ngizoguqa phambi kwayo.
Into ehlekisa kakhulu ukuthi bazama ukwenza iSystemD enekhono lokungeza izici zeSysVinit kuyo, noma ngabe umsebenzi onjalo uyinselele ngokuphelele (njengemfoloko kaTheo de Raadt ye-OpenSSL).
Le foloko ixazulula inkinga yokuthatha izintambo kuLennart nakubaba wakhe uRedHat ukuzama ukuyinika onjiniyela abazimele
ukususa ububi besistimu ekuhlanganiseni ngezinto ezingekho futhi ezingafanele neze zibe yingxenye yohlelo lokuqalisa. Ngabe ngicacile?
Manje, uma kwabanye lokho kubonakala kuyisizathu esincane ... esingenakuxazululwa yinoma ngubani, kuyimibono kuphela kanye nemibono yomuntu siqu.
kepha ukuthi i-systemd akuyona uhlelo lokuqala nje, i-systemd ingaphezu kwama-binaries ahlukahlukene angama-70 okuyi-1 kuphela i-pid 1 futhi lokhu kunakekela into eyodwa kuphela, ukuqala nokumisa amanye amademoni. yonke i-systemd bloat empeleni iyakhethwa ngaphandle kwe-journald. ngakho-ke angiboni ngempela ukuthi uhlelo lwe-boot lwenzani okungafanele lwenziwe uma lwenza into eyodwa. njengoba ngishilo, zonke izinqubo nezinsizakalo ziphathwa ngokuhlukile ngamanye amademoni, iningi lazo lingasetshenziswa ngokwehlukana ngisho. umehluko kuphela ukuthi lawa maDemoni wokuzikhethela abhalwa yiqembu elifanayo, ngaphansi kwekhalenda elifanayo naku-git efanayo (njengoba i-bsd yenza ngokufanayo)
lennart embi futhi red han? ukukhohliswa kokushushiswa nokunye okuncane.
@Mirage kepha ukuthi i-systemd akuyona inqubo elula yokuqalisa….
Ngabe leyo yinkinga, baqala njengohlelo lokuqalisa nje futhi bakwazi ukukholisa ama-distros amaningi bese beyeka ukuba uhlelo lokuqalisa nje bese besakazeka njengomdlavuza.
Ngizokupenda kangcono kuwe, ngifuna i-systemd, kepha angifuni enye imodyuli ehleliwe ... kepha uma ngithi angiyifuni, angifuni ukuthi ifakwe kwi-hard drive yami ... akwanele ukuthi ngiyikhubaze ...
Ngakho-ke ngitshele ukuthi iyiphi i-distro enginikeza inguqulo ye-systemd engenawo lawo ma-module kusifaki sayo.
Njengamanje ngisebenzisa i-linux mint 17 futhi ayisebenzisi i-systemd (ngicabanga okunye kokuncika kwayo) yize kuma-distros ayisebenzisayo angisebenzele kahle, ngisebenzisa i-linux cishe iminyaka emibili futhi ngiyinikeza ukusetshenziswa okuyisisekelo i-Intanethi, ukuhlela imibhalo ngendlela elula, njll.) futhi uma ngisebenzisa i-systemd angihluleki nokuthi ezingeni lobuchwepheshe ukuthuthuka kuyabonakala, futhi iningi lenzondo libukeka lingenasizathu kimi, abaningi bathi kungenxa yokuziphatha okuhle kunokuba ezobuchwepheshe kepha kubonakala kuningi kimi yize ngingathanda ukubona enye indlela yokuthi lokhu ezingeni lakho yize ngingenakho ukukholwa kulokhu (ngoba manje empeleni kuyisistimu "engondlekile" futhi igama selivele libonakala lihlekisa kakhulu sina)
Futhi kungani ungaqhubeki usebenzisa imibhalo ye-BSD? Noma i-openRC evela eqenjini le-Gentoo? Noma ukhohlwe ngakho konke okungenhla kufaka phakathi iSystemD bese usebenzisa Ubuntu's Upstart?
Ngoba iSystemD isheshisa inqubo yokuvula nokucisha uhlelo lwe-GNU / Linux.
Ngaphezu kwalokho, ofuna ukukuhlenga ukuthi, isivinini sokuqala kweSystemD ngaphandle kokusebenzisa amamojula weSystemD, bese usebenzisa lawo e-OpenRC, SysVinit kanye nemibhalo ye-BSD, ngaleyo ndlela ugweme ukuqhuma izingodo.
Ngijabule nge-systemd.
Ngibona ngisho nezinzuzo eziningi ukudlula noma yini enye.
Ngifunde imibono eminingi futhi kubonakala sengathi i-systemd ... ayihambisani nefilosofi yabasebenzisi besistimu yeLinux abamelene nayo, ... ngiyazibuza ... kungani izintshisekelo zombili zohlelo zifuna ukulawula yonke into ... kufana namawindi?… Akukhona ukuthi ngemuva kunezinhlelo ezimbi zokulawula wonke umuntu kanye nohulumeni womhlaba? Njengamanje uhlelo lweLinux Mint lusebenza ngokumangazayo cishe yonke into ezenzakalelayo futhi aludingi systemd. Uma uphatha ukuthatha uhlelo lweLinux ... .. awunakho okunye ongakwenza ngaphandle kokuthuthela ku-BSD UNIX nakokutholakala kwayo.
Yikuphi okunye ukusatshalaliswa okusebenza njengeLinux Mint, noma ngabe iphethe iSystemd noma cha?
Bheka kuWindows akukho okufana nesistimu ngokwazi kwami.
Benza kubonakale kuyinto embi ukuba phakathi nendawo, lapho okuwukuphela kwabakhathalelayo yilabo abasebenza nohlelo, abavame ukuba ngochwepheshe, kithina abasebenzisi abajwayelekile systemd kungcono kakhulu kithina, ngisho nama-sysmins athile ayaludumisa, ngakho-ke qaphela ukuthi konke kuhlobene nokunambitha.
I-Systemd yinhle kakhulu, kepha lokho abantu abaningi abakhala ngakho ukuthi kunezinhlelo eziningi ezizodinga ukuncika okusha ukuze zisebenze, ngoba i-systemd ingena kakhulu futhi idlula kancane kunalokho obekuzoba uhlelo lwe-bootstrap. Baphinde bakhala ngokuthi yenza imisebenzi ethile ngokuzenzekelayo, kodwa ngineqiniso lokuthi uma ufunda ukuyisebenzisa ungayilungiselela ngendlela othanda ngayo.
Kungakho ngithi: ISystemD ilula ukuphatha, yize ngaso sonke isikhathi ngizivimbela kulokho ebengikwenza eSysVinit (hhayi ukuhlehlisa kuSystemD, kepha iSysVinit yangisindisa enkingeni yokuthi kufanele ngenze dmesg ukubona ukuthi ngabe kukhona yini engikukhukhumele kukho).
Inhloso yokwenza izinyathelo zokuqala ku-Windows ukukusindisa enkingeni yokuthi uhlele imibhalo. Ngamanye amagama, lokho kungonga isikhathi esiningi kulabo abangewona ama-sysadmins.
Kwabafuna ukupheleliswa kanye / noma ama-sysadmins aphezulu, i-OpenRC yakudala ne-Gentoo iyancomeka (kimi, ngingathanda ukuthi iSysVinit ibe nejubane le-boot le-SystemD, ngakho-ke i-UselessD isebenza njenge-plug-in eyengeziwe yeSysVinit noma i-OpenRC inamandla ukuthi yona iSystemD).
Ngicabanga ukuthi uzame rc_parallel = »YEBO» ku /etc/rc.conf.
Kusahamba kancane kancane kune-systemd kepha kube yimizuzwana embalwa futhi njengoba isikhathi sokuphumula nsuku zonke kimi singaphansi kwamahora ayi-14… .8 imizuzwana umehluko awungithinti.
Ngicabanga ukuthi ngalemfoloko kuzokwazi ukushintsha inkambo futhi ngiyethemba ukuthi onjiniyela abazimele bazojoyina ukuhlanganisa okuhle kwama-inits nge-systemd
futhi iqiniso lokuthi umsebenzi owodwa uyalandelwa futhi wenziwe kahle.
@ eliotime3000 kunezinto ezibaluleke kakhulu kunesikhathi sebhuthi, futhi leyo nto akuyona ukuthi kuyinto enkulu, okungenani kimi, izikhathi zokuqalisa phakathi kwesistimu ne-OpenRC (kusetshenziswa iGentoo), azihlukile kakhulu, ukuwina uhlelo imizuzwana engaphansi kwengu-4, futhi ngaphandle kokusebenzisa i-rc_parallel = yebo ku-OpenRC.
QAPHELA: Kusukela lapha, noma ngubani ofundayo, ngicela wenze ngokucophelela futhi ungixolele ngezinye izinkulumo, futhi ukwenze kucace ukuthi umbono wami uqobo.
Engingakuthandi nge-systemd iqiniso lokuthi ngifuna ukwenza izinto esezenziwe, ngoba ukuvuselela isondo kimi kubonakala sengathi kuyisiphukuphuku futhi akudingekile.
Kwenziwa yini i-init nge-daemon luks, lvm, dns, dhcp, avahi functionalities, izingodo, i-coredump, i-devfs, phakathi kwezinye izinto? Mhlawumbe amadimoni anazo zonke lezi zici awasekho.
Kungani isihogo ukufinyelela kwezimpande kuyadingeka ukuphatha izingodo ne-coredump? (Lokhu ngikwazile ukukuqinisekisa mathupha ku-Debian naku-Gentoo).
Kungani isihogo kufanele ngiqale kabusha i-PC yami uma kukhona ushintsho kusistimu, ingabe ikwazi ukuziqalela kabusha? I-SysVinit geek ingakwenza, futhi okubaluleke kakhulu, ikwenza kahle. Bathi i-systemd ingakwenza, kepha yenza isivivinyo uzobona ukuthi yehluleka futhi akukho okunye abangakwenza ngaphandle kokuqala kabusha.
Akugcini lapho, kepha i-systemd inezimbungulu ezaziwayo futhi azilungisiwe nje, futhi konke ngenxa yokuthi iqembu (Poettering elihola ukushaja) limane likhetha ukungazinaki futhi lizimake njenge-WONTFIX noma nje ukuziba. Ngisho nezinye zalezo zinciphisi sezivele zingokwemvelo, ezishicilelwe emaphephandabeni, ezizenzela zona, bese nifika, manene, zivela onyakeni ka-2011 nango-2012 futhi namanje azikwazi ukulungiswa, hhayi ngoba zingaziwa ( umbiko nakho konke) noma azizaleki kalula, kepha ngoba vele AWAFUNI UKUZILUNGISA. Lokho kuziphatha akufiki nokuhlelwa kwesistimu, i-Poettering NJALO bekunjalo, i-Avahi (enye yendalo yabo) nayo ibinezinkinga ezifanayo, ikakhulukazi ngokuvuza kwenkumbulo nokusetshenziswa ngokweqile kwe-CPU, iningi lazo okusaqhubeka. Ingabe ufuna ubufakazi obengeziwe? IPulseaudio ngobunye ubuhlanya balolu hlobo, ukuthi yize bekuyinto abaningi abebebheke phambili kuyo, yaletha izinkinga eziningi kunezixazululo futhi kuze kube muva nje lapho izinkinga zayo eziningi zaxazululwa, ukuthi uma, kude nezandla zikaPoettering.
I-Yukiteru +100
Kusobala, mhlawumbe umsebenzisi olula we-novice akakuqapheli, kepha iRedHat iyinkampani futhi engikwaziyo, ukuphela kwento ethakazelisa yonke inkampani ukwenza imali, uma sengeza kulokhu ukuthi kungaba nokuhlinzekwa okuthile ngabasebenzeli bakahulumeni ngakho ukuthi "kancane kancane ukuguqula", ngikholelwa ukuthi konke kungenzeka ... Mnu NKULUNKULU imali angenza konke.
Isifiso samandla sabo bonke ohulumeni nezinkampani ezinkulu asinamkhawulo, siyifunda nsuku zonke, kuvela ukuthi uhlelo lokusebenza oluphikisayo yi-gnu / linux, abasebenzisi bayo bavame ukwaziswa kangcono ngokuphepha nobumfihlo.
Nge-systemd baqala kancane kancane, kusukela okokuqala konke bekukuhle futhi bakwazile ukunqoba ama-distros amakhulu ukuwashintsha, bese kuthi kancane kancane bangeze amamojula wokufaka esikhundleni salokho ebesivele kukhona futhi kuhlale kusebenza, bangasho ukuthi uma awunantshisekelo awawafaki lawo ma-module .... kepha hoo kusimangaze, wonke ama-distros ayifaka ngokuphelele futhi abasebenzisi abajwayelekile abazi ukuthi bangahlanganisa kanjani ngesandla futhi basuse.
Imodyuli ehlanekezelwe kunazo zonke eyejenali engiyifunde emyalezweni umuntu athi ayikhethi, ukuthi iyimpoqo nokuthi ngeke isuswe.
Kusobala ukuthi ngeke ikwazi ukususwa, inhloso akukhona ukuthi isebenze kahle futhi ingavumeli i-syslog-ng isebenze kahle, noma ukunaka izikhalazo zabasebenzisi ababika lezo zinambuzane.
Le nqubo ukufihla ukuze kungabonakali, bese uphatha ngokuzenzakalela inethiwekhi ukuze esikhathini esizayo esingekude kakhulu, ilahlekelwe ukulawula okuphelele okwenzeka ngokwenzeka ngenethiwekhi nangezingodo zalokho okwenzekile kunethiwekhi.
Ukufunda ikhodi ye-systemd akusizi ngalutho, yonke into yenza okufanele ikwenze futhi ikwenzela kahle kakhulu "kubo", okungalungile ukusebenza okuhlanganisiwe okuveza ubungozi ngokuphelele ebusweni bokuthi "bug engachazwanga".
Ngakho-ke, i-systemd ayiphutha, okungalungile ngabadali bayo okufanele bashintshwe.
Ihaba kanjani. Kukuthandile ukuthi kuyisoftware yamahhala nokuthi uma kunezinto eziyinqaba abazibonayo? futhi ngaphezulu kuphrojekthi enempikiswano njengale, ucabanga ukuthi awekho amakhulu ama-geek afuna ukususa umlenze wekati? i-pff sensationalism ihlala ithengisa okuningi
Ngoba uSystemd empeleni uyiSkynet… hahahaha
futhi le foloko engicabanga ukuthi iholwa yi-canonical?
@miliano
Uthini ngeLinux, ngeshwa uqinisile futhi ngeshwa elikhulu ukuthi kune-sysadmin embalwa, engaphansi kuka-1/4 yabasebenzisi… .. Ngakho-ke asithembe ukuthi izinto eziyinqaba ziyaqhubeka ukwenzeka kanjena:
systemd-journald [150]: Yehlulekile ukubhala okufakiwe (izinto eziyi-13, ama-byte angama-351), indiva: Ikheli elibi
Ukukhombisa ukuthi asisile, futhi akusikho okokuhlanza kepha kungenxa yezinkinga zobuchwepheshe.
Ungalibona iphutha kule cgit usebenzisa i-ctrl + f kepha-ke njengoba uLennart angajwayele ukuphawula, omunye umkhuba omubi anawo, ngeke bazi ukuthi lelo phutha liyini:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/journal/journald-server.c
Akuwena ukuphela kwe-elav:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=150704
Kunokuningi okuthunyelwe okunalokho kepha angiboni okushoyo ngempela ukuthi kuyini, kuzwakala kuyimbungulu kimi futhi kubukeka sengathi kuvela ePulseAudio nge-pollin yayo eyivusile nemicimbi ecindezelweyo
Kuyesabeka !!
Futhi noma ungakukholwa, kunabanye abaningi ababika lelo phutha, kubukeka sengathi kuvela kwelinye iphutha futhi lokho kuyisibonakaliso kodwa futhi nokuthi kuyiphutha lalo uqobo, ngamafuphi, i-systemd igcwele i-bug, okungenani i-sysv ibingenawo amaphutha, isikhathi eside okufakazelwe ukuthi ipholile kakhulu. Namuhla ngizamile ukukhubaza i-journald ku-VM, ngeke ingivumele, akunakwenzeka, ukuphela kwento ongayenza ukufaka i-syslog bese wenza i-journalism ikuthumelele izinto ukuze izibhale, kepha, kuthiwani uma iphephabhuku lehluleka? ... Kusukela nini ungakwazi ukukhubaza ukungena nge-daemon ku-Linux? ... I-Windows iyakwenza lokhu, bese bethi iyimodemu, uma ngibona
Akekho naye dmesg iyabasindisa. Emehlweni ngiyabona ukuthi yiJournalD efakwe amaphutha.
Ngiyethemba ukuthi i-OpenBSD noma i-Apache Foundation bazokhombisa ukusekela kwabo imfoloko enjalo.
@mzokoloko
Unenkampani, ujoyine umbiko wesiphazamisi ukubona ukuthi ngabe i-lennart isebenza kancane:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1069828
Kuyisiphazamisi.
Ngiyangeza, ukuthi i-Bug eyenziwe ngokunye kuphela ukuthi iyisinye »uphawu» ngokuya nge-fedora kepha esinomsuka ofanayo:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043212
ISIKHATHI ESIDLULA I-DMESG!
Manje, ngokungathi sína, sibonga ukwehluleka okubabazekayo kweJenaliD ngizokhombisa ukweseka kwami imfoloko eshiwoyo yeSystemD, ngoba ngeJournalD angiqondi okuningi (nge-DMESG ubona amaphutha amaningi we-kernel boot, ngisho namademoni ngisho ne-SystemD ).
Abantu abaningi bayayenqaba i-systemd ngoba ayihambisani nefilosofi ye-Unix. Madoda, i-Unix iyafa futhi isengozini yokuqothulwa, kunezikhathi lapho kufanele uyeke izibopho zesikhathi esedlule kancane bese uzama ukwenza okuthile okungcono ngisho noma kuphula ifilosofi yakudala. Shiya i-conservatism futhi uma i-systemd ikunikeza inkinga, bese ubika i-bug bese usiza ukuhlola ama-patches ayoyixazulula. Ngokubona kwami i-uselessd ngeke ize ifike ndawo, ngakho-ke igama layo liza kahle, lingenamsebenzi, alinamsebenzi, ukuchitha isikhathi nokuzikhandla okuphelele okungasetshenziswa ekwenzeni okuthile okungcono.
Ndoda, kepha awuzibonanga izixhumanisi kulokhu okuthunyelwe okufanayo ku-RedHat Bugtracker? Umdali weSystemd akaphenduli noma aphawule nganoma iyiphi yazo. Yini ukusetshenziswa kokubika kweziphazamiso uma umfana eziqhuba nge-liner?
Ngalesi sikhathi, iSystemD ibike i-240 kuphela ku-RedHat bugzilla (enemibiko nakwamanye amakhasi):
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&component=systemd&product=Fedora
Ngabantu abasebenza okungenani ama-3 noma ama-4 abasebenza, ngokusho kweWikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd
Ukusebenza nezimbungulu ezingathatha kusuka ezinsukwini ezimbalwa kuye ezinyangeni ezimbalwa ukuzilungisa. Futhi kulokho futhi kufanele ungeze ukuthi kufanele bangeze izici ezintsha futhi basuse ikhodi yakudala.
Ngabe ucabanga ukuthi banesikhathi sokuphendula embikweni ngamunye?
Lapha abangaphezu koyedwa bakholelwa ukuthi banelungelo lokuphawula ngomsebenzi wohlelo lonjiniyela, lapho okuningi abakwenzile ukubhala iskripthi eBash noma ePython bese bebeka ingqikithi yeWordPress, kepha bashaya izinyawo zabo uma kufanele balondoloze okuphezulu Uhlelo -caliber.
Iningi lalabo abakhononda ngeSystemD abazi ukuthi bakhuluma ngani. Yisigejane nje sezinkukhu ezikhothayo.
Okokuqala nje busisiweUkube bengizokwethula uhlelo olufana neSystemD, into yokuqala engizoyenza okokuqala kuzoba ukubhala phansi futhi ngangokunokwenzeka ukuthi iziphi izincazelo zayo, izinkinga ezingaba khona, incazelo yamalogi ayo, njll. Ngalokhu, bekuzogwema ukucasulwa okufana nokwami, lapho angazi khona ukuthi isihogo iphutha elijabulisayo (noma umyalezo) lisho ukuthini:
systemd-journald[150]: Failed to write entry (13 items, 351 bytes), ignoring: Bad addressNgaphezu kwalokho, ngicabanga ukuthi uma uzozinikela ekwenzeni uhlelo lokusebenza, kufanele usebenzise okungenani ihora eli-1 lesikhathi sakho uphendula izimbungulu ezethulwe ngabantu abazisebenzisayo. Uma ungeke ukwazi ukusingatha lokho, okungenani shiya umyalezo noma ungazise, kodwa ukungaphenduli kusishiya singaqiniseki.
Kulowo nalowo ngokomsebenzi wakhe ... futhi yilowo nalowo unesibopho kulokho akwenzayo. Angiqondi ukuthi le ngxenye yamazwana isho ukuthini, ngeqiniso elilula lokuthi umklami wetimu we-WordPress (noma umsebenzisi ovele afake ingqikithi), noma umuntu ohlela umbhalo weBash noma iPython, akubophezelekile ukugcina Uhlelo lwe- "high-caliber", kude nalo. Njengoba uMalume Ben ayengasho: "Ngamandla amakhulu kuza umthwalo omkhulu", ukuthi sikuse endabeni esihlala kuyo: «Uhlelo olukhulu luphethe umthwalo omkhulu«, Futhi ngokuzibophezela ngiyaqonda konke: Ukusekelwa, ukuthuthukiswa, njll.
Uma unomusa wokuchaza ngokuningiliziwe nangedatha yezobuchwepheshe ukuthi iSystemd isebenza kanjani ukuze labo bethu abakwaziyo ukuyeka bakwenze noma bavele baqonde kangcono, ngizokubonga kakhulu.
Phendula ngokucaphuna
Kubhalwe ngokuphelele:
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/
Izigaba: AmaManuwali neMibhalo yabasebenzisi nabaphathi y Imibhalo Yonjiniyela
Ngabe kubonakala kukuncane kuwe?
Nanku umugqa walowo myalezo:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/journal/journald-server.c#n513
Futhi ikhodi efanelekile ivela ku- L448, ngakho-ke konke kuya ngomyalezo engikunikeze wona ngaphambilini.
Zisebenza ngale ndlela zonke izinkundla ze-inthanethi, zingakuphendula noma cha, uma zingakuphenduli kungenzeka ngoba: azinampendulo, azikhathalele umyalezo wakho, zinokunye okubalulekile, noma basebenzela ezinye izinto futhi abanaso isikhathi sakho. Yamukela ukuthi awuyena maphakathi nendawo, futhi abatholi lutho kuwe ngokulungisa isiphazamisi esikuthinta kakhulu.
ibhukwana lapho. kuyindaba yokufunda, mhlawumbe inkinga ukuthi abantu abaningi abayifundi, angikho kwi-debian. kepha angikhawuleli kuphela kumuntu ogcwele http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.html,
Ngifunde ibhulogi ye- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering kunomjikelezo omuhle kakhulu we (okokufundisa) http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-1.html
@hipersayan_x Umngani ngempela? Ngiyakumema (kanye futhi) ukuthi ungihumushele ukuthi umugqa u-513 walesi sixhumanisi ongibekele wona usho ukuthini, ngoba angiboni ukuthi kuchaza kanjani ukuthi inkinga ikuphi lo mlayezo.
Akukhulunywa ngami, kungabantu abaningi .. Bona isixhumanisi kumazwana # 66. 😉
@elav, ngiyaphinda, ngokusho okungafundwa ku-CF, ngaphambi kwalowo myalezo kuzofanela kuvele omunye umyalezo okhombisa ukuthi kungani bekungenzeki ukubhala ku-log, ngakho-ke lokho kungaba yinkinga yangempela.
Kuhle ukuthi izinto zifakwe imfoloko, kuyindlela yokulinganisa ukusebenza kahle, kungenza ngihleke, ukuthi zikhubaza izici engizisebenzisa nsuku zonke nokusheshisa ulwazi lomsebenzisi, noma ngenye indlela, zisebenza ukwenza uhlelo lusebenze, ngiyakubheka njengokwazisa umsebenzisi we-novice ekusetshenzisweni kohlelo. Umbuzo wokukhula (ukuvuthwa) maqondana nokwazisa kokusetshenziswa kohlelo, mhlawumbe ngoba ngithanda kakhulu ukuwabona njengamaqoqo ama-oda ngaphakathi kwesikripthi, esikhundleni sezibuko ezinemibala. Mhlawumbe kungasiza kakhulu ukufunda imanuwali kaningi futhi wenze iziphakamiso zokwenza uhlelo oluzenzekelayo, kepha ngaphakathi kohlaka olunengqondo, oluchazwe ngumsebenzisi (ongahlali njalo phambi kwesiginali).
Phendula ngokucaphuna
@ROUGH
Ukwenza izinto kube okuzenzakalelayo, kususe ukuguquguquka futhi kukhiqize ukufakwa, awukwazi ukubeka wonke umuntu esikhwameni esifanayo, ngokuchaza okuthile okuzenzakalelayo ofuna izimfoloko ezizokwenziwa, ngoba kuzoba nabantu abaningi abanganeliseki abangahlali phansi babukele ukuthi bakwenza kanjani dala amawindi amasha.
Ukuphawula okumbalwa ngenhla, ngibuze ukuthi ngabe uyazi yini noma yikuphi ukusatshalaliswa okunephakeji le-systemd ngaphandle kwamamojula wokuzikhethela, kepha kubonakala sengathi awekho ... akekho ongiphendulile.
Esimweni sami anginasidingo, ngihlale kamnandi no-gentoo iminyaka engaphezu kwengu-5 nge-eudev ne-openrc, kepha nginezincwadi zokubhala engizisebenzisa kancane, ezisenayo i-archlinux, ngilokhu ngiyivuselela ukuze ngibone ukuthi izinto zihamba kanjani futhi unganiki umbono ngendlebe walokho okushiwo abanye.
Ake sibathinte! @ # $% Ngisanda kudla isidlo sasekuseni ukuthi ku-ArchLinux ayikho i-crontab, i-cron iphathwa nge-Systemd .. Grrrr
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/cron_functionality
@mzokoloko
Ukusabalalisa okungasebenzisi i-systemd kufanele kukhuthazwe, ayikho enye indlela.
Ngiyazi, ngeke kube lula ukufaka, kepha babone ukuqondiswa kwakho konke lokhu
Ngicabanga ukuthi ama-distros amaningi azalwe ngama-LFSs azoqala ukuvela, njenge-crux lokho
wayengumama we-archlinux futhi ngiyaqonda ukuthi basasebenzisa i-init.
Ama-distros wesitayela seSabayon nawo angavela njengokuthile nje kokudutshulwa
i-gentoo kuma-binaries we-i686.
I-Systemd ifana netimu ye-AC / DC "Uyitholile Ngamabhola"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ICWCMaRypI