My uncle uses ……… ..sorry, he used Linux on his computer for just three days.

Before I want to correct something that I wrote in my article on the free software law. Where says:

If the DGI reacts and remakes its web forms making them compatible with Firefox.

You have to add: and also with Chrome and Linux.

Yesterday my dad did the acid test with a DGI web form when trying to use it with Firefox on your Manjaro (Chrome is not supported. SeriouslyIt is a form from 5 years ago, one of those that works and I will not touch you again). You have not been able to get the draft of your return saved so that you could print it, plus every time you open it, it always asks to install some .xpi plugins that are included in the form. I leave the link to see the form (in the formimages folder there is some source code in javascript), and have an idea of ​​what fucking which is to make an annual VAT affidavit.

There is always something that makes you go back to the window, even for a little while and then go back to the penguin. But the migration I want to deal with today is my uncle's. My uncle was the one who inspired me to love computers, despite the fact that now they have changed their tastes towards games. He has a Zotac AD10 mini pc, all with AMD / ATI technology (E350 Dual Core 1.6Ghz, Radeon HD 6350 card, 4gb ram, 120gb sata hard drive), it came with Windows 7, you only use it to watch movies, use XBMC and Google applications. Like Dad, he was also screwed with the slowness of his Windows 7, until one day his mini hard drive crashed. I told him that he could take advantage of installing a Linux, but he was somewhat insecure, because his main concern was the XBMC and its plugins. He decided on Ubuntu (just because the official XBMC repos are for Ubuntu, although there are for other distros), he installed it on his own and removed the Amazon Dash (suggestion of mine).

13 - 1 (1)

Good night comes and tells me that the installation was successful except for one detail. I had no HDMI sound. And well, since I was going to spend Christmas at his house, I took the opportunity to fix that detail. It was not an easy task. When you are looking for tutorials on how to enable HDMI sound on a computer with AMD / ATI technology and with kernel 3.0 onwards, they tell you to modify the / etc / default / grub file by changing the line

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"

by

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash radeon.audio=1"

then a sudo update-grub and finally reboot the machine. That only enables sound but doesn't make it work. To make it work you must also install the drivers. I tried with the drivers open and after some struggle I got it to work …………….but the video is slower (As my uncle tells me that it is because the processor is going at 800Mhz, half the speed)

3 days later: I get this message on Google+. I copy it in full.

Dear nephew:

With bitterness I have to say that I have returned, for urgent reasons, to the OS of the window for various problems, although I do not rule out trying again. But on the way I discovered several things to share.

1) ATI support for the Linux platform is bad. Moreover, for a person who has lived a lifetime working under the proprietary platforms of the window, the installation of ATI drivers is not friendly at all.

2) In blogs, forums and specialized pages there is a lot of banana It seems that he was born plugged into a Matrix type computer and like NEO, he sees himself with such a superior level that Linus looks stupid, when in his life there must have been and made more than 40 lines of code without use copy / paste. This significantly alienates new Linux users. Be patient, it took the window more than 20 years to become what it is today.

3) It's not friendly, but it's not hell either. You have to dedicate time to work especially with the issue of the terminal, which takes time to discover that it existed, more or less 1 hour. Thanks to an old forero who took pity on my soul and threw at me like 20 commands as if to start talking, I think he had fun with my comments.

4) Strong but fragile. I believe in the maturity of the Linux system, but it is not strong since a neophyte left it completely useless on the third day of use. I don't consider myself capable of saying why, except that when I do what ATI tells me to do, things don't work out.

Dear nephew, I promise a second round I will be more cautious and try to read a little more before doing some batting. Hope the SSD improves my baby's performance. (My note: That last one is because you want to buy an SSD. )

Man, from point 1 we can agree not only me but lots of people. Here I give you some links.

https://blog.desdelinux.net/amd-despide-a-varios-empleados-que-son-desarrolladores-del-kernel-linux/
https://blog.desdelinux.net/ati-radeon-y-el-precio-de-vivir-en-libertad/

From point 2, bananas are everywhere, but none look that superior, trust me. What they can have is pride. Also, since what year are you counting? If we start in 85 (Windows 1.0 release), by 2005 we would be on XP. If we start in 94 (kernel 1.0 release) ……… .ok you're right, on the desktop we don't progress much to say.

From point 3, thank you for putting the terminal in the middle that if not I would tell you that I already warned you. You were using Unity. That's why I didn't want to recommend Ubuntu to you.

And from point 4, the day you get a kernel panic, there you are going to leave it useless.

Then I remembered that he had installed the open drivers and I asked him if he tried with the Catalyst and he said:

Don't play the drama, that's what I wanted to do, that's why it made me shit ... after reading a bit I realized the error and that is that you have to completely uninstall all the drivers before installing the AMD drivers. Rookie mistake.

The issue is that I did what appeared to me on a page that said how to install them and when I did, the option to install them with the / force option appeared to force the installation even though I already have a previous installation.

When I finished he told me that there was an error and he asked me to restart so that the changes could take effect. The machine restarted and never worked again.

Lastly I asked if I can use your statements to put together an article here, to piss off the fans who congratulated me on to contrast my post of the successful migration of my dad (Except for that incident I mentioned at the beginning) and he said "Of course".

Maybe next time. Happy New Year GNU / Linuxeros.

PS: Man, next time let me install the system for you. Commenters, if you want to suggest a distro, make it cute, pretty, and out of the box. But the most important, let the XBMC work there.


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  1.   mss-devel said

    1) Well, Uruguay already has the free software law. It needs to be regulated, and they will be obliged to make compatible forms

    2) Manjaro was a bad choice. It is a very promising distribution, but it needs to mature a lot. It would have been better openSUSe or Ubuntu

    3) Jeez, I hope all the noise Valve is making with the Steam Machine makes ATI wake up, and abandon their world of scorn for Linux

    1.    diazepam said

      1) With that it works with Chrome it is already a great advance, but if it also works in Linux.
      2) My dad is fond of Manjaro. The other option was Xubuntu.
      3) Amen.

    2.    Guest said

      Regarding point 3: It will, but with conditions.

  2.   juanjp said

    Installs Pear OS is out of the box, there is very little to modify, to work and enjoy it.

  3.   Percaff_TI99 said

    One of the Distros that XBMC brings well integrated is Sabayon Linux, I even think that it could be started from XBMC instead of the traditional desktop; or the media center option is also installed (In the installer), it complies with both premises; Besides it has good hardware detection, I don't know how it will get along with the ATI drivers and with your uncle, I haven't used it for a long time, I'll install it at some point to see how it has evolved. Another may be ElementaryOs, although for me, it gives me the impression of being a bit raw, in short, whatever I install, the important thing is that your uncle does not give up xD.

    1.    pandev92 said

      Otherwise I'm wrong, with the ati drivers, on the live cd, XD never started

  4.   Angel_Le_Blanc said

    It's a shame with ATI, I don't understand why they make proprietary drivers, they could release them, that the community improve them, we buy them, they win and maybe save labor.
    But I'm not going to buy them crazy like this.

    His uncle was sent adrift, I think it would have been good to give him an explained book with apples, or spend a weekend with your favorite uncle. : +1: explaining

    1.    diazepam said

      Words from my uncle: Banana detected.

      1.    Angel_Le_Blanc said

        why?

        1.    diazepam said

          Because of the book explained with apples.

    2.    pandev92 said

      Well, they are not going to release a driver ..., especially because the Linux driver is nothing more than the Windows driver, with some additions to make it run on Linux, so inside it has to have more patents than anything else 😀

      1.    diazepam said

        HA! If it were the windows driver, it would be just as good on Linux as it is on Windows.

  5.   Juan Manuel said

    What you have to do is stop buying those video cards or everything that has to do with ATI, my pc has an INTEL card and it is more supported than ATI and Nvidia I understand that it is not for gaming but it works for me with any distro that use. I am currently using Manjaro, but in your case I recommend LinuxMint with problematic machines in hard Mint, it showed me that it has nothing to envy other distros ...

  6.   Victor Salmeron said

    @ Percaff_TI99 is right, Sabayon is one of the distros that by default bring good support with proprietary software, hence, googling a bit, I saw that the latest version of OpenSuse has good support ... I think, it would be good to try Sabayon, it has good reviews about

  7.   Javier said

    I recommend sabayon, it is the distro that got me into linux, armanda is doing very well

  8.   George said

    It is true, there is always something that makes you go back to windows and it was the fact of not being able to copy files to my mobile, and that my mobile is android, which I shared with my elementary school, so now to enjoy my winbugs 8

    1.    Pepe Beto said

      The same thing happened to me, Jorge, but it really is not a problem with ElementaryOS, this distro is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and this is the one that really has that problem, with the instructions in this link you solve it, it is very simple, 3 command lines and restart and that's it.

      http://www.lopst.com/2013/03/22/soporte-mtp-en-ubuntu-12-10-o-12-04-para-conectar-dispositivos-android-4-0/

      1.    Pepe Beto said

        I use the windows for work but I have tried several distros on my machine ubuntu, elementaryos, pointlinux, linux lite, fedora, debian zorin, opensuse, and the truth is elementaryos is the most comfortable graphically but they are all good, so look how to configure I distro in that and other details especially with my machine.

        Do not leave the GNU / Linux world so easy, if it asks you to dedicate time (more when you are not a technician or computer engineer) but it is pleasant when you get a work environment to your liking.

  9.   BGBgus said

    Me, for Windows newcomers I always recommend Linux Mint. Out of the Box, with the codecs you need to see what you want, very simple and attractive.

    I am using this system myself, although I have been using GNU / Linux systems for a long time.

  10.   Eduardo said

    openSUSE with KDE, without thinking and Yast will help the guy a lot with the settings.

  11.   scorponox said

    I use Arch as MediaCenter / BitTorrent and so pleased. Tell your uncle to buy a CEC Adapter to operate XBMC with the remote control (TV has to have CEC) and enjoy.

  12.   Jesus Babío said

    Well, what a shame about your uncle.

    Well, I have problems with the sound over HDMI. (And don't touch anything, I have Ubuntu 13.10) I have a notebook with an ATI radeon hd5650 and all I had to do, (yesterday at a friend's house watching movies and not to lose time downloading the vlc in your windows connect my ubuntu), it was to go to configuration and select the correct audio output, hdmi ati radeon, now I only get internal speakers and S / pdif output, for not having any monitor connected.

    Let's see if the next time you bring it back and it doesn't work anymore.

    Greetings from Spain and happy holidays.

    1.    Jesus Babío said

      Sorry I wanted to say, I have NO problems

  13.   dok said

    For me, you make the mistake precisely in what you have put in the PD. If you offer the migration to someone who doesn't have the skills to figure them out on their own (and I don't mean being able to use google), you should always take care of all the pre-setup.

    Keep in mind that most when buying equipment does not do so with Linux compatibility in mind. There are quite problematic configurations that require knowledge to solve them (and sometimes they are almost unsolvable).

    Regarding distributions, I consider that almost any are valid, since they all allow extreme customizations. So I usually just recommend distributions that have enough support from the community.

    Lastly, about the web form problem, it can be solved with wine or a virtual machine. For example, devices that need windows for their update are easily solved with a virtual machine and since their use is not daily it is not a great discomfort.

    1.    diazepam said

      My dad has a windows partition. For something I left it.

  14.   ridri said

    In this case it is not a problem of this or that distro but simply the terrible support of the ati drivers. Linux users should boycott this brand to the best of our ability. Although nvidia does not work 100% like windows, it shows a greater interest towards linux. When I buy a card or computer I always let the clerk know that I don't want anything ati because I'm going to use Linux. It may not be worth anything but at least I let it be known in the small business circle where I buy.

  15.   DOA said

    HDMI issue with ATI, the sound was uninhabited because they cause errors. That is solved from Kernel 3.11 or 3.12 onwards (very recently). When you try Ubuntu 14.4 you will no longer have those problems with the free driver. I don't know if they are already enabled in 13.10. And the hardware accelerated video also got a lot better with the latest tabletop versions.
    Installing Catalys is always a problem, I give you the easiest way I found only for ubuntu.
    http://www.taringa.net/posts/linux/17314509/Instala-los-controladores-de-AMD-en-Ubuntu-sin-contratiempo.html

    regards

  16.   Just Horrillo said

    Hey.

    I just want to cheer up your uncle and you.

    I also tried with my uncle, many and many distros (various flavors of Ubuntu, Suse, Debian ...) and the one he gets along best with is Ubuntu (with Unity).
    Now he has 13.10 installed, after doing the previous installation which is when I am with him (since he still does not trust), I leave it updated and configured with the applications that he usually uses (Skype, Cheese, thunderbird, VLC, etc. ..) He usually takes care of having it updated later.

    We also went through the Windows era (XP and later 7), but every 2 × 3 something was loaded and he was at his house longer than at mine, and since I installed Ubuntu, he is super happy.

    Comment that his experience with PCs has been nil (he is 60 years old), and he has quickly got used to Linux, and for what he does (chat, email, facebook, etc.) it works quite well for him.

    Greetings.

  17.   eliotime3000 said

    ATI / AMD… A hardware slop for UNIX, GNU / Linux and the like (except OSX, which Apple pays to run well).

    In Windows, ATI / AMD is not a big deal, because it runs fast but not at the speed that NVIDIA has and for rendering it is a headache if you use it with Windows, also it overheats frequently if the fan already has a couple of years over.

    1.    diazepam said

      Words from my uncle: It is clear that you are not a gamer.

  18.   gorlok said

    With AMD / ATI it's a lottery. There are chipsets that work very well, and there are others that are impossible, that hardly any performance is far from ideal. As a gamer, I like AMD / ATI chipsets better than NVIDIA chipsets, but as a longtime Linux user, I always had fewer problems with NVIDIA chipsets, by far. Hopefully one day it improves, and that Valve with its SteamOS and Steam Machines, creates pressure for AMD / ATI to provide the support we deserve.
    Installing a new operating system on any computer can always cause problems, be it Linux or a proprietary one, due to the support of the drivers, in case the equipment is not certified for it, unpleasant surprises can always appear, and it is rare to find equipment certified to Linux. Today the installation of Linux has been greatly facilitated, it is available to anyone, but some final detail can always appear that ruins the whole experience.
    It is good to comment not only on the gains, but the losses, without falling into fanaticism. I liked the note.
    The thing about the DGI (DGI of Uruguay I understand) is unacceptable ... but sadly the most common in all countries. Here in Argentina the same thing happens with AFIP, its websites and downloadable applications. In some cases, there is no other option but to use a virtual machine to run a certain version of the operating system and browser, because such a state body does not offer other options. Even for users of the most popular proprietary operating system, when using it in its latest versions, they have the same problems. It is something that will be solved over time, because all States are becoming more aware of open formats and web standards, and laws and regulations appear in this regard. At the moment, sometimes there is no other option but to resort to botch like a virtual machine, or browser extensions that correct bugs on state websites (in Firefox there are some extensions to support some shameful sites of our AFIP, which in the end we pay with our taxes).
    Greetings and may 2014 be a happy Linux year 🙂

  19.   Emanuel said

    Try with OpenElec I leave you the link http://openelec.tv/I personally have not tried it, but I am not wanting. It is that I currently do not have the time to grant it.
    Greetings.

  20.   Hades said

    Windows is great whatever they say and to take the step to Linux it takes a lot.

    1.    eliotime3000 said

      Mother of Throlling !!

  21.   luissquare123 said

    For recommending a distro, I recommend XUBUNTU. why? it is much more sober than ubuntu, they share the same repos, it is compatible with XBMC, and it consumes less resources.

    Regarding the page that does not load in chrome, do not try, but there are plugins for firefox / chromium (actually for chromium I don't remember well, but for firefox) that allow you to EMULATE the input to a page from another browser, for example , you can enter a page with the IE engine ... thus having the compatibility you need.

    And with the ATI drivers ... I have Nvidia and the truth is that the driver selector of the ubuntu family always installed the drivers without any problems ... how ugly that it is so different with ATI.

    Luck monkey! greetings from Salta, Argentina.

  22.   NixiePro said

    I recently had to install an application from the DGR to make affidavits of income on windows. I was surprised because it asked me to have MS Access installed so that I could just install the DGR application. I mean, not only do you have to use Win, but also its office suite. Please!!! I hope that Argentina follows the example of Uruguay passes the free software law!

    1.    Pablo said

      Argentina is one of the countries most "dependent" on Microsoft, the government and private companies have a need created for decades.

  23.   oscar said

    Tell your uncle that some work professionally with Linux, and without having much Linux clue, and surprisingly (in my case) it works just as well as it did before with Windows.

  24.   David said

    huuu I understand the man, the truth is that the first time you use Linux, unpleasant things happen.

    The sound is not heard and you know why
    Once you uninstall everything, absolutely everything from Ubuntu (don't ask me to press Synaptics)
    and so a thousand things that tend to fail horribly, although I am a user with ease of learning and understanding of the computer, I totally agree that Linux is not easy to use.

    Easy to use it will be the day my dad and my mother-in-law can use it without having to be glued to them

    I currently use Elementary OS, although it is not that customizable, it is extremely easy to use, light and beautiful.

  25.   miguel.fernandez said

    Tell him to install windows 8.1 or Mac OS X to see that it does not form trauma, Windows 7 is the one with the worst performance, a lot of beauty but it lacks heart, the same with Windows 8.1, The best in stability that so far and proven is W $ XP and 8….

  26.   Pablo said

    I would have started with Mint, surely the need to touch something would have arisen but a lot of aspects have already been solved for a new user in the Linux world.
    We already know that AMD's support for linux is still very poor ... but that may change in a short time with the arrival of steam.

  27.   gmo garrido said

    I use ElementaryOS on a 270MHz Acer Netbook (Aspire one AOD1402-1.6) with 2GB of Ram, a 320 HDD and an 8GB Intel GPU with an HDMI port.
    With Win7 it worked disgustingly slow and when I changed it to eOS, the change was noticed, I installed the XBMC, which I also like and it was slow, very slow at first, after a few days of apt-get update, the kernel was updated and some xserver which improved performance considerably.
    Now I can watch movies on an LED via HDMI, smoothly and with excellent quality.
    I already installed it on my home and office PC, it works perfect for me.

  28.   joselu68 said

    As far as I know, in openSUSE 13.1 the xbmc works without problems and is in the official repos of it (I just checked).
    Another issue is that you have great difficulty with the ATI issue; but openSUSE offers good tutorials, between its web pages and its forums. The support that community provides is quite good.

  29.   Benjamin Morales said

    You should have installed Linux Mint with Cinnamon or (if the PC can't do it) Mate. Everything is ready there: the audio and video codecs, LibreOffice, Firefox and the software center are good. Good for newbies and also for those who already have experience with GNU / Linux.